Re: Gun Control means Crime Control

On 12/7/22 11:32 PM, Richard Clayton Wieber wrote:
> On 12/7/2022 6:11 AM, scooter lied:
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>> "Bud Dickmann" <[email protected]> wrote in message 
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On 12/6/2022 11:20 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> Klaus  Schadenfreude <[email protected]> wrote
>>>> in news:[email protected]:
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>>>>> A well regulated Militia,
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>>>>      what does "regulated" mean to you?
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>>> It means subjected to training.
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>> or properly working, like a well regulated clock.
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> "subjected to training" will do, scooter.
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>>>>> being necessary to the security of a free
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>>>>       Nothing about personal self defense
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>> How can anyone defend others if they can't even defend themselves?
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> The second amendment is not about enabling anyone to defend himself, 
> scooter.

The Constitution works in its entirety, as a single Document... NOT a 
series of documents, and the 5th Amendment tells you you have a RIGHT to 
LIFE, LIBERTY and property (eg), arms and food "plants for medicines" 
and shelter to keep a starving freezing man alive, or in the 2nd 
Amendment "arms" to use to defend your Home/Castle from any violators be 
they your own government or others.

> It is only about ensuring that southern slave patrols — the 
> *only* use for the militia — could continue.
> 

While interesting speculation, the document suggests otherwise by making 
it a legal issue and adopting jurisdictional extradition...  for hunting 
down escaped slaves and criminals. Probably because prisoners were 
considered to be equal to slaves.

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*Article IV*
*Section* 2. The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all 
Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who 
shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand 
of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered 
up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime.

*No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws* 
*thereof* , *escaping into another* , shall, in Consequence of any Law 
or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, but 
shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or 
Labour may be due. [Note: superceded by Amendment XIII]
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There is your power to hunt down escaped prisoners and slaves using 
guns. The 2nd Amendment is NOT intended for private persons to cross 
State lines to enforce the laws and capture slaves or criminals. It's 
the job of the Government law enforcement to organize those deputized to 
do that job of escorting the prisoners or slaves back to the 
jurisdiction or DEMOCRAT RUN PLANTATION SLAVERY they escaped from. 
Showing that it was this clause that gives the power to capture and 
extradite escaped prisoners and fleeing slaves.

The 13th Amendment stopped any hunting down and extraditing of escaped 
PLANTATION slaves, but the 2nd Amendment which is independent of slavery 
still stands as it has been, it's the RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND 
BEAR ARMS. And that RIGHT is NOT tied to the Militia or slavery or 
anything but Life, Liberty, and property, being guaranteed by due 
process. And no invading army or government out of control can over ride 
that RIGHT to Keep and Bear Arms.  ONLY WE THE PEOPLE can change it by 
changing that 2nd Amendment. It takes an ARTICLE 5 Amendment and that 
requires that 3/4 of the States ratify it. And that just isn't 
happening. There are more gun owners being CREATED BY DEMOCRATS VIOLENCE 
NOT FEWER GUN OWNERS and if guns were so dangerous to their owners by 
having one in your house there would be a lot fewer gun owners out-there 
because they'd be dead from stupidity.

It's Obvious that Slavery is NOT tied to "the RIGHT of the people" to 
keep and bear arms since the 13th also makes Slaves into people with the 
RIGHT to keep and bear arms. And if it were the purpose of the 2nd 
Amendment to use arms to hunt down slaves, wouldn't it have been 
superseded by amendment 13 as well? YOU SHOULD TAKE THAT ONE TO THE 
SUPREME COURT and then tell me how it turns out?


First it was slaves and now since "DULY CONVICTED PRISONERS" are the 
only LEGAL slaves it only applies to transferring and hunting down 
escaped prisoners.

NOTICE that Amendment 13 superseded that clause in ARTICLE IV Section 2.

The end of slavery brought the end of the Government extraditions of 
slaves and government hunting down slaves for the private SLAVE OWNING 
PLANTATIONS.

We The People were never "authorized" in the Constitution to hunt down a 
person/slave with deadly force and to return them across State lines 
illegally.


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