Re: Over 1 million people without power, can't charge EV cars - paralysis.

On 12/29/22 8:12 AM, -hh wrote:
> On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 7:12:37 AM UTC-5, NoBody wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 14:13:25 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 07:04:18 -0500, NoBody <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 27 Dec 2022 12:05:47 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>> Goalpost move noted. Please adjust your range below to 1/4 charge.
>>>
>>> You completely missed the point, Dumbo. Your EV fills up every night
>>> after you get home.
> 
> Clarification:  it offers the option to do this because it isn't a special trip.
> That doesn't mean that the battery's completely drained.
> 

Leave your home and your EV won't be able to get a charge anywhere else 
in your rolling black out or storm area. You may get stranded in the 
cold and have to walk home in the cold. That's how people die.

And the Batteries may not be as charged as you think so when you go into 
a store fresh from a hopefully warmer garage, your battery may not be 
able to move the EV.



>>> Do you stop at the gas station and top off every day? No? Then your
>>> ICE is handicapped by the fact that it doesn't usually have a full tank.
> 
> That too, but what not need to refill an ICE tank ~daily shows is that this
> person's use case doesn't generally need the tank capacity that this ICE has.
> 

I have a few 5 gal cans of gas around for the mower and in case I 
accidentally run out or someone I know runs out of gas and calls me.

Do you keep a 5 gallon can of electricity in case you run out and need 
some energy for an EMERGENCY?

>> So now you're admitting the handicap that EV's have. If you don't
>> charge them EVERY NIGHT good luck getting range.
> 
> Not really, because the use cycle refueling behavior isn't giving you as
> much of an advantage as you think it is.   Case in point, assume a 14 gal
> tank where you refuel when the light comes on (~2 gal reserve):  that
> means that you're refilling an average of around 12 gallons per stop, so
> the random 'fuel remaining' during this cycle is roughly (12/2 + 2) = 8 gallons.
> Now if the car is rated at 420 miles/tank (14*30mpg), the random check
> condition is actually just (8*30) = 240 miles.   Perhaps now you're starting
> to figure out how automakers decide what size to make an EV's battery?
>   

If you live in the city, an EV may be a valid choice... but NOT so much 
in lower density areas, what about Alaska?  Would you buy an EV if you 
lived in Alaska/Montana?

> 
> 
>> Silly me thinking
>> the point of EV's was about efficiency and saving the environment.
> 

Looks like it's more about controlling people.



> It is:  EVs are about being more efficient *and* helping the environment,

Can't be, they waste more energy and it takes years for an EV to break 
even on the Carbon invested in it and in producing that energy to run it 
and all those batteries that have to be made by mining and smelting with 
fossil fuels.

They aren't very efficient using that fossil fuel created Electricity 
transported on the GRID. The loss in transforming and transferring that 
energy to and from transportable energy and back to usable energy and 
the line loss is a loss of MPG of the fossil fuel and Solar/Wind 
produced energy on that GRID.   In the end the EV's may not last long 
enough to reach ZERO CARBON status where the amount of Fossil Fuel 
Carbon to make the EV's the Solar/Wind generating and meet the GRID 
system's needs, is equal to the fossil fuel saved.

Having the input of fossil fuel equal the amount of fossil fuel saved by 
driving the car enough miles to hit that CARBON NEUTRAL SWEET SPOT, and 
then "start" to be a zero carbon vehicle.

> not making the refueling pattern being identical to legacy ICEs.   Given that
> one no longer needs to go make a special trips to go get gas because its
> now a  <30 second "plug in" in the garage at home, its not an earth-shaking

It makes a hybrid trip to get gas for the engine less of a special 
trip... except that plugging into the electric at home will waste as 
much or more energy than going to the gas station once in a rare while. 
or you can keep a 5 gal can of gas like I do to pour in when I don't 
want to make a trip to the gas station, it keeps the lawn mower gas 
fresh so I don't have old stale gas to pour into the lawn mowers etc.

> inconvenience, even if the duty cycle means that it needs to be plugged in
> ~2x more often than the ICE's runs to the gas station.  Its a chore equivalent
> to taking out the garbage .. how often do (or should) you do that each week?
>   
>   
>> There's nothing efficent about being forced to charge every night. The
>> range between fill ups of my car is unchanged, whether I use it or not.
> 
> At ~1/2 the range, it means you need to do it ~2x more often than ICE refueling.
> If you don't refuel every 2 days, then you're not driving enough to also need to
> recharge nightly.
> 
> Plus recharging at home means you're not being forced to make a special trip out
> or stop for gasoline ... what's that worth?   If you try to claim "nothing", then you're
> going to have to come do that chore for me at zero time & labor cost to me for a
> year to prove to everyone on AFRL that you're not lying/exaggerating.
> 
> Plus if you really wanted the recharge mileage to be identical to ICE, a bigger battery
> is simple to do - -  but the question is if you're really willing to pay for it.  All designs
> are trade-offs, including of ICE's.  For example, how much cubic feet of trunk space
> are you willing to give up for a +1 gal larger gas tank?
> 

The more weight you carry in the car the lower the mileage for battery 
or gas. More batteries are heavier and cause a loss of efficiency. That 
means a bigger grid system and more Solar/Wind to be needed to power 
that waste.

>   
>>>> So no, EV's can't go as far as ICE cars. You haven't done anything to
>>>> advance your argument here.
>>>
>>> How many miles do you drive in a day? 20? 50? That's six days worth
>>> of fuel. If the power stays out for over six days you've got worse
>>> troubles than the state of your fuel tank.
>>
>> At least I'll be able to go elsewhere to get gas where the EV is dead
>> in the water.
> 
> Avoidance.
> 
>> Oh and you never addressed losing 40% of your EV range
>> by having the luxury of heat in the winter.
> 
> Of course, this avoids how EVs can do a "defrost & heat up cabin" while still
> plugged in, rather than idling through a gallon of gas in the driveway...
> 
> ...oh, and it can do it faster too, because you don't have an ICE that needs to
> first reach its operating temperature before it can provide cabin heat.
> 

I always started the car and then went to do the final coat zipping and 
lunch check and tie the shoes and herded the kids into the car where the 
ice was finally melting and the splash of windshield washer/de-icer and 
it all takes 5 to 10 minutes and it's good to warm up the engine to 
operating temps before you put a load on it, in fact you can plug in an 
electric engine oil warming dipstick so the oil is warm when you start 
the car since the most wear on the engine is in the first minute where 
you start the car and the oil hasn't reached all the bearings and moving 
parts, and cold oil is so thick that it doesn't flow all that well and 
so starting a cold engine isn't really a great idea to begin with. Newer 
synthetic oils and ratings not withstanding.

Warming the car oil or engine is a good idea.  EV's have bearing and 
sleeves in the motors that are somewhat important since they maintain 
distances between the Armature and other parts with grease may also 
shrink and they too shrink in the cold so things aren't at optimum 
running temp and may have problems in the severe cold as tolerances open 
up and cause wear and tear.


/-> *ADDENDUM*

https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-01-01-electric-garbage-trucks-fail-four-hours-nyc.html

Under real world conditions the ELECTRIC VEHICLES aren't measuring up to 
the demands of the transportation system.

The cars don't charge or work as well or efficient as they do on paper...

The trucks that are used for EMERGENCY work will also fail sooner and 
cost even more lives and damage to the planet... than the internal 
combustion engines that give us that life supporting CO2 as a byproduct 
of their use.

No Global Warming or sinking islands due to CO2 because the only 
pollution is the political hot air from DEMOCRATS... just more green 
foliage on PLANET EARTH from the fossil fuels.  Obviously the name 
"FOSSIL FUEL" describes that it was here on earth and will continue to 
be here and to be re-introduced into the CO2 cycle of the planet the 
same as the water vapor is a part of that cycle.  And remember that 
water vapor is a much more serious green house gas and that's even 
professed by the DEMOCRAT SCIENCE.

*END ADDENDUM* <-/



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