Re: School stories

On 2026-04-04 22:28, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> 
> 
> On 4/4/26 04:50, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2026-04-04 09:52, Nuno Silva wrote:
>>> (Maybe this one needs to be narrowed to less groups, or sent to 
>>> alt.unix.geeks?)
>>>
>>> On 2026-04-04, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 3 Apr 2026 18:00:06 +0100, Janet <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>>> [email protected] says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2 Apr 2026 19:33:18 GMT, rbowman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Apr 2026 05:33:56 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Both Kipling and Lewis wrote about Edwardian English public 
>>>>>>>> schools.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lewis also mentioned schools in his fiction, most notably in 
>>>>>>>> "The Silver
>>>>>>>> Chair", where he describes authoritarianism in what was 
>>>>>>>> ostensibly a
>>>>>>>> libertarian school.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kipling wrote about the hazing of the younger students by the 
>>>>>>> older ones.
>>>>>>> In 'Surprised by Joy' Lewis strongly hints there was a sexual 
>>>>>>> element.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lewis doesn't merely hint. He says quite clearly that there was 
>>>>>> sexual
>>>>>> exploitation at the school he attended. There were not merely
>>>>>> adolescent crushes, but there was systemic exploitation as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    I'd be surprised if Kilpling used the term hazing,  or was 
>>>>> referring
>>>>> to that American activity.  He was probably talking about  the
>>>>> different British custom fagging
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagging
>>>>
>>>> I have only a vague idea of what "hazing" is, and assumed it meant
>>>> something like what was euphemistically called "fresher orientation"
>>>> at one of the universities I attended, in which new students were
>>>> humiliated in various ways to make them understand that they were
>>>> lower than shark shit.
>>>
>>> It's sad that some people do think such orientation has to come with
>>> "hazing". It's perfectly possible to have a community and activities for
>>> orientation and integration purposes without harassment or
>>> humiliation. Yet some, seeing it with milder harassment, will assume
>>> it's good because it can be less strong...
>>
>> When I was at Uni in Madrid, at the Uni itself there was none. The 
>> studies were terrifying, no need to add more pain.
>>
>> However, at the halls of residence (DeepL says that is the translation 
>> for "Colegio Mayor") it was a different story. At mine it was very 
>> mild. At others it was much worse.
>>
> 
>      Generally hazing is done to test the Mettle of the new parties and
> group hazing build bonds between those who share misery.
>      More exclusive hazing for the Franternities and Sororities of which
> I have no personal experience builds intensity loyalty supposedly to
> te Greek Letter clubs.  In some of the USA's great universities like
> Yale and Harvard it builds bonds that are sustained for life as the
> members promise to support one another in their business and
> political lives.  A very exclusive society, Skull and Bones, has
> contributed several presidents and other high officials to the
> USA.  Not the worst either since Trump became president.
> If he had lost this present term, George Bush of the Iraq War
> would hold the title.
> 
>      bliss - HS graduate who has been reading a lot since 1955

The "uni halls of residence" where I lived broke this simply by 
expelling 120 of 200 students the next year. Hard to keep traditions alive.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
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