Re: what is economics for anyways????????

On 7/30/2026 10:02 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 08:51:12 -0700, Dude <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> On 7/29/2026 6:05 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>> On 7/29/26 2:16 PM, Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 7/28/2026 5:26 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>> On 7/28/26 2:08 PM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/28/2026 3:00 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/28/26 10:02 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/27/2026 7:08 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/27/26 1:04 PM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/27/2026 3:17 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2026 12:47:57 -0400, Wilson
>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You haven't even defined what you mean by "consumer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> efficiency". How
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about starting there? Because it sounds like made-up bogus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> progressive
>>>>>>>>>>>>> collectivist nonsense that in the end only results in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reduction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal agency.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> most utility for least time and cost
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> this can be hard to define, but for digital systems this
>>>>>>>>>>> becomes much easier due to the precision of the objects being
>>>>>>>>>>> bought and sold.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the distribution costs of digital products is so negligible
>>>>>>>>>>> that we need to utilize govts to stop it from happening for
>>>>>>>>>>> free. when i pay for a digital product i'm not paying for
>>>>>>>>>>> distribution, i'm trying to pay for the creation of the
>>>>>>>>>>> product, something which the distribution platform has no
>>>>>>>>>>> participation within.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> to turn around and have the distribution platform take a 30%
>>>>>>>>>>> cut, and then mostly distribute my subscription money away from
>>>>>>>>>>> the artists i actually listen to, and instead in accordance
>>>>>>>>>>> with massive digital rights contracts between the platform and
>>>>>>>>>>> major music publishers... is incredibly inefficient in regards
>>>>>>>>>>> to the transaction i'm trying to undertake: which is payback
>>>>>>>>>>> the artists for the creation of the music i listen to so that
>>>>>>>>>>> they create more of the music is _actually_ listen to...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> to the ask my to have to buy and managed my digital library
>>>>>>>>>>> myself is asking me to bear a different cost: my time in
>>>>>>>>>>> setting that up and doing so. and ur not only asking me to
>>>>>>>>>>> _bear_ that cost, ur asking _everyone_ to redundantly _bear_
>>>>>>>>>>> that cost on an individual level across society
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ...which is just incredibly moronically inefficient as compared
>>>>>>>>>>> to having a single communal digital repository which provides
>>>>>>>>>>> _both_ an optimal interface into consumer, and optimal
>>>>>>>>>>> distribution back to the artists i _actually_ listen to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's not at all what I was thinking you had in mind.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In my business I deal with people in the real world space. What
>>>>>>>>>> set me off against the idea of "consumer efficiency" was a
>>>>>>>>>> system that decided what was acceptably efficient, placed in
>>>>>>>>>> between the seller and the customer. That would be a bad idea
>>>>>>>>>> for them and the provider.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> i have said this many times before: we should open the financial
>>>>>>>>> operations of all businesses, and let the consumers decide if the
>>>>>>>>> service is truly efficient for the price or not
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Small businesses as well?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ofc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Requiring that sort of reporting (with the necessary legal
>>>>>>>> compliance oversight costs) will increase customer costs as well.
>>>>>>>> Doing that sort of thin is not automatic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> automated reports is not what i'm talking about, i'm talking about
>>>>>>> real time auditability where the entire business is run in an open
>>>>>>> manner that consumers can browse at their leisure
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> info tech is exactly the kind of thing that solve. govt provides an
>>>>>>> efficient platform to run ur business from that has this automated
>>>>>>> real time auditability built in. businesses can choose to use
>>>>>>> it ... or fail due to the cost of trying to utilize other less
>>>>>>> efficient processes. that's fine. people with their head on
>>>>>>> straight (like not you) will figure this out
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In the context of software and music I don't think you're 100%
>>>>>>>>>> wrong. But I'd want multiple digital communities to chose from.
>>>>>>>>>> They might all want to use the same interchangeable format but
>>>>>>>>>> no lock-in to a single provider. Choice incentivizes better
>>>>>>>>>> service and it drives innovation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> choice also has a massive cost: duplicated effort, which is the
>>>>>>>>> antithesis of efficiency when it comes to computing
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> blindly calling for choice endlessly, is a thoughtless response
>>>>>>>>> that has no bearing on the truth of the matter
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> having a communally owned solutions operated with the goal of
>>>>>>>>> fulfilling the needs of the consumers, instead of random-ass
>>>>>>>>> number go up, is going to be vastly superior economic paradigm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That will kill innovation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ur not capable of identifying innovation wilson, cause having info-
>>>>>>> tech companies compete to solve info-tech infrastructure is an
>>>>>>> anti- pattern that impedes upon idealized system, meaning they
>>>>>>> _cannot_ innovate toward optimal systems. having a slew of sub
>>>>>>> optimal solution is _not_ innovation wilson
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Word salad.
>>>>>
>>>>> literally every post u write dud
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For better or worse, through history we've never seen more
>>>>>> innovation than what an open market allows with private actors
>>>>>> seeing and meeting the needs of the people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> except all the foundational research is done in academic/public
>>>>> sectors u moron,
>>>>
>>>> Bell Labs existed and similar does today.
>>>
>>> cherry picking will never tell a narrative wilson
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ur again just cherry picking facts, cause u aren't engaged in a
>>>>> genuine pursuit of truth.
>>>>>
>>>>> heck the only reason we see any innovation in the private sector at
>>>>> all is the fact that capitalist ideologues continually push all
>>>>> production to the private sector to they can profit off after the
>>>>> foundation research is completely by the academic/public sector,
>>>>> because foundational research is _far_ too risks for profit huffing
>>>>> morons
>>>>>
>>>>> we bearly even _allow_ the public sector to compete in production, so
>>>>> who knows what kind of innovation we're leaving on the table cause
>>>>> profit huffing morons control all the consumer production
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The public sector has an awful record of efficiency. Public grocery
>>>> stores for example, and that's gotta be one of the simplest things in
>>>> the world to run.
>>>>
>>>
>>> the us military runs public grocery stores just fine actually
>>>
>> The problem with grocery stores in the military is choices. Not much
>> variety of junk food on the shelves.
>>>
>>> not sure why local govts "can't" ... probably some combination of
>>> constant sabotage from retarded ideologues like urself, and the fact
>>> they usually take on places where private sector already failed
>>>
>> One of the main reason government stores fail is theft.
>>
>> Public stores face high financial losses from inventory shrinkage,
>> spoilage, and retail theft without the flexible management tools used in
>> the private sector. Free food!
>>
>> Unlike major corporate chains, government stores lack the purchasing
>> power, supply chain logistics, and bulk discounts needed to keep food
>> prices low.
>>
> Ha, yet they remain quite low in my memory.
 >
As an ex-military brat for 18 years, I've visited a few government 
military grocery stores:

Joint Base San Antonio-Lackland has a full-service grocery store known 
as the The Commissary.

Fresh produce, meat and poultry departments, pantry goods, and frozen 
foods. Specialty Areas: A bakery, deli, sushi counter, and rotisserie 
chicken.

The problem with grocery stores in the military is choices. Not much 
variety of junk food on the shelves. YMMV.