Re: what is economics for anyways????????

On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 13:25:12 -0700, Dude <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 7/30/2026 10:02 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 08:51:12 -0700, Dude <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 7/29/2026 6:05 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>> On 7/29/26 2:16 PM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 7/28/2026 5:26 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/28/26 2:08 PM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/28/2026 3:00 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/28/26 10:02 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/27/2026 7:08 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/27/26 1:04 PM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/27/2026 3:17 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2026 12:47:57 -0400, Wilson
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You haven't even defined what you mean by "consumer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> efficiency". How
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about starting there? Because it sounds like made-up bogus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> progressive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collectivist nonsense that in the end only results in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reduction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal agency.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> most utility for least time and cost
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> this can be hard to define, but for digital systems this
>>>>>>>>>>>> becomes much easier due to the precision of the objects being
>>>>>>>>>>>> bought and sold.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the distribution costs of digital products is so negligible
>>>>>>>>>>>> that we need to utilize govts to stop it from happening for
>>>>>>>>>>>> free. when i pay for a digital product i'm not paying for
>>>>>>>>>>>> distribution, i'm trying to pay for the creation of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> product, something which the distribution platform has no
>>>>>>>>>>>> participation within.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> to turn around and have the distribution platform take a 30%
>>>>>>>>>>>> cut, and then mostly distribute my subscription money away from
>>>>>>>>>>>> the artists i actually listen to, and instead in accordance
>>>>>>>>>>>> with massive digital rights contracts between the platform and
>>>>>>>>>>>> major music publishers... is incredibly inefficient in regards
>>>>>>>>>>>> to the transaction i'm trying to undertake: which is payback
>>>>>>>>>>>> the artists for the creation of the music i listen to so that
>>>>>>>>>>>> they create more of the music is _actually_ listen to...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> to the ask my to have to buy and managed my digital library
>>>>>>>>>>>> myself is asking me to bear a different cost: my time in
>>>>>>>>>>>> setting that up and doing so. and ur not only asking me to
>>>>>>>>>>>> _bear_ that cost, ur asking _everyone_ to redundantly _bear_
>>>>>>>>>>>> that cost on an individual level across society
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...which is just incredibly moronically inefficient as compared
>>>>>>>>>>>> to having a single communal digital repository which provides
>>>>>>>>>>>> _both_ an optimal interface into consumer, and optimal
>>>>>>>>>>>> distribution back to the artists i _actually_ listen to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's not at all what I was thinking you had in mind.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In my business I deal with people in the real world space. What
>>>>>>>>>>> set me off against the idea of "consumer efficiency" was a
>>>>>>>>>>> system that decided what was acceptably efficient, placed in
>>>>>>>>>>> between the seller and the customer. That would be a bad idea
>>>>>>>>>>> for them and the provider.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> i have said this many times before: we should open the financial
>>>>>>>>>> operations of all businesses, and let the consumers decide if the
>>>>>>>>>> service is truly efficient for the price or not
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Small businesses as well?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ofc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Requiring that sort of reporting (with the necessary legal
>>>>>>>>> compliance oversight costs) will increase customer costs as well.
>>>>>>>>> Doing that sort of thin is not automatic.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> automated reports is not what i'm talking about, i'm talking about
>>>>>>>> real time auditability where the entire business is run in an open
>>>>>>>> manner that consumers can browse at their leisure
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> info tech is exactly the kind of thing that solve. govt provides an
>>>>>>>> efficient platform to run ur business from that has this automated
>>>>>>>> real time auditability built in. businesses can choose to use
>>>>>>>> it ... or fail due to the cost of trying to utilize other less
>>>>>>>> efficient processes. that's fine. people with their head on
>>>>>>>> straight (like not you) will figure this out
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In the context of software and music I don't think you're 100%
>>>>>>>>>>> wrong. But I'd want multiple digital communities to chose from.
>>>>>>>>>>> They might all want to use the same interchangeable format but
>>>>>>>>>>> no lock-in to a single provider. Choice incentivizes better
>>>>>>>>>>> service and it drives innovation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> choice also has a massive cost: duplicated effort, which is the
>>>>>>>>>> antithesis of efficiency when it comes to computing
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> blindly calling for choice endlessly, is a thoughtless response
>>>>>>>>>> that has no bearing on the truth of the matter
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> having a communally owned solutions operated with the goal of
>>>>>>>>>> fulfilling the needs of the consumers, instead of random-ass
>>>>>>>>>> number go up, is going to be vastly superior economic paradigm
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That will kill innovation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ur not capable of identifying innovation wilson, cause having info-
>>>>>>>> tech companies compete to solve info-tech infrastructure is an
>>>>>>>> anti- pattern that impedes upon idealized system, meaning they
>>>>>>>> _cannot_ innovate toward optimal systems. having a slew of sub
>>>>>>>> optimal solution is _not_ innovation wilson
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Word salad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> literally every post u write dud
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For better or worse, through history we've never seen more
>>>>>>> innovation than what an open market allows with private actors
>>>>>>> seeing and meeting the needs of the people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> except all the foundational research is done in academic/public
>>>>>> sectors u moron,
>>>>>
>>>>> Bell Labs existed and similar does today.
>>>>
>>>> cherry picking will never tell a narrative wilson
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ur again just cherry picking facts, cause u aren't engaged in a
>>>>>> genuine pursuit of truth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> heck the only reason we see any innovation in the private sector at
>>>>>> all is the fact that capitalist ideologues continually push all
>>>>>> production to the private sector to they can profit off after the
>>>>>> foundation research is completely by the academic/public sector,
>>>>>> because foundational research is _far_ too risks for profit huffing
>>>>>> morons
>>>>>>
>>>>>> we bearly even _allow_ the public sector to compete in production, so
>>>>>> who knows what kind of innovation we're leaving on the table cause
>>>>>> profit huffing morons control all the consumer production
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The public sector has an awful record of efficiency. Public grocery
>>>>> stores for example, and that's gotta be one of the simplest things in
>>>>> the world to run.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> the us military runs public grocery stores just fine actually
>>>>
>>> The problem with grocery stores in the military is choices. Not much
>>> variety of junk food on the shelves.
>>>>
>>>> not sure why local govts "can't" ... probably some combination of
>>>> constant sabotage from retarded ideologues like urself, and the fact
>>>> they usually take on places where private sector already failed
>>>>
>>> One of the main reason government stores fail is theft.
>>>
>>> Public stores face high financial losses from inventory shrinkage,
>>> spoilage, and retail theft without the flexible management tools used in
>>> the private sector. Free food!
>>>
>>> Unlike major corporate chains, government stores lack the purchasing
>>> power, supply chain logistics, and bulk discounts needed to keep food
>>> prices low.
>>>
>> Ha, yet they remain quite low in my memory.
> >
>As an ex-military brat for 18 years, I've visited a few government 
>military grocery stores:
>
>Joint Base San Antonio-Lackland has a full-service grocery store known 
>as the The Commissary.
>
>Fresh produce, meat and poultry departments, pantry goods, and frozen 
>foods. Specialty Areas: A bakery, deli, sushi counter, and rotisserie 
>chicken.
>
>The problem with grocery stores in the military is choices. Not much 
>variety of junk food on the shelves. YMMV.

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