Re: what is economics for anyways????????

On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 18:58:35 -0700, dart200
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On 7/30/26 4:40 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 14:36:32 -0700, dart200
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 7/30/26 1:36 PM, Dude wrote:
>>>> On 7/30/2026 10:21 AM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>> On 7/30/26 10:05 AM, Dude wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/30/2026 7:33 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/29/2026 5:23 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 17:12:39 -0400, Wilson <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 7/28/2026 3:00 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/28/26 10:02 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/27/2026 7:08 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/27/26 1:04 PM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/27/2026 3:17 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2026 12:47:57 -0400, Wilson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You haven't even defined what you mean by "consumer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> efficiency". How
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about starting there? Because it sounds like made-up bogus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> progressive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collectivist nonsense that in the end only results in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reduction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal agency.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most utility for least time and cost
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this can be hard to define, but for digital systems this becomes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much easier due to the precision of the objects being bought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and sold.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the distribution costs of digital products is so negligible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to utilize govts to stop it from happening for free. when i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pay for a digital product i'm not paying for distribution, i'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to pay for the creation of the product, something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distribution platform has no participation within.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to turn around and have the distribution platform take a 30%
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cut,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then mostly distribute my subscription money away from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> artists i actually listen to, and instead in accordance with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> massive digital rights contracts between the platform and major
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> music publishers... is incredibly inefficient in regards to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transaction i'm trying to undertake: which is payback the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> artists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the creation of the music i listen to so that they create
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the music is _actually_ listen to...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the ask my to have to buy and managed my digital library
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> myself
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is asking me to bear a different cost: my time in setting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and doing so. and ur not only asking me to _bear_ that cost, ur
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asking _everyone_ to redundantly _bear_ that cost on an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> level across society
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...which is just incredibly moronically inefficient as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compared to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having a single communal digital repository which provides
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _both_
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an optimal interface into consumer, and optimal distribution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the artists i _actually_ listen to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's not at all what I was thinking you had in mind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my business I deal with people in the real world space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What set
>>>>>>>>>>>>> me off against the idea of "consumer efficiency" was a system
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> decided what was acceptably efficient, placed in between the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seller
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the customer. That would be a bad idea for them and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> provider.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> i have said this many times before: we should open the financial
>>>>>>>>>>>> operations of all businesses, and let the consumers decide if the
>>>>>>>>>>>> service is truly efficient for the price or not
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Small businesses as well?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ofc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Requiring that sort of reporting (with the necessary legal
>>>>>>>>>>> compliance
>>>>>>>>>>> oversight costs) will increase customer costs as well. Doing
>>>>>>>>>>> that sort
>>>>>>>>>>> of thin is not automatic.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> automated reports is not what i'm talking about, i'm talking
>>>>>>>>>> about real
>>>>>>>>>> time auditability where the entire business is run in an open manner
>>>>>>>>>> that consumers can browse at their leisure
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> info tech is exactly the kind of thing that solve. govt provides an
>>>>>>>>>> efficient platform to run ur business from that has this
>>>>>>>>>> automated real
>>>>>>>>>> time auditability built in. businesses can choose to use it ...
>>>>>>>>>> or fail
>>>>>>>>>> due to the cost of trying to utilize other less efficient processes.
>>>>>>>>>> that's fine. people with their head on straight (like not you) will
>>>>>>>>>> figure this out
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So I wonder about the unintended second-order effects of that sort
>>>>>>>>> of thing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's interesting.  Wilson would never worry his little head about
>>>>>>>> unintended stuff when business does things.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If I understand the idea (probably not to your satisfaction) the
>>>>>>>>> potential customer could see what products were costing the
>>>>>>>>> business and
>>>>>>>>> what they are making per transaction.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It seems likely any business that made a higher profit per customer
>>>>>>>>> would be criticized even if their products were less expensive.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So I wonder, what would be the incentive for a business to improve in
>>>>>>>>> order to cut costs if all of that would need to be given back to the
>>>>>>>>> customer?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because greed is the only reason business is willing to do anything.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why bother?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because we might all be better off if people could find a different
>>>>>>>> way to be motivated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why not just let things be as they've always been.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ah yes, do nothing, do nothing, do nothing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's one place I see a drag on innovation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because greed is the only motive you understand.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People do things to benefit themselves. That is a natural incentive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People like Noah want to remake humanity into a selfless tribal
>>>>>>> culture that is not motivated by the drive for self-improvement.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He sees no possible downside to that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obviously, Noah has a regressive attitude. Nick, on the other hand,
>>>>>> is a radical regressive. YMMV.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> their platform calls for an end to the American constitutional
>>>>>> republic and would be disastrous for the working class.
>>>>>
>>>>> shut the fuck up and open the borders u exploitive moron
>>>>>
>>>> You can't have open borders in a welfare state. Why?
>>>>
>>>> You'd break the bank and everyone would starve.
>>>>
>>>
>>> u don't need the "wElFaRe StAtE" when open markets bring prosperity for
>>> all, so what in the fuck is your point even???
>> 
>> You know prosperity for all doesn't mean *for all*.  It means for me
>
>u dont get it noah: why in the fuck is dud even complaining about 
>needing a welfare state when the fucking open free markets is supposed 
>to bring about prosperity for all???

Because it doesn't and in fact as I say above, it is not intended to.
So that is why an immigrant might feel like they need welfare in dud's
imagination.  My experience in s calif is that poor mexicans are quite
delighted if somebody will pay them to pull carrots or clean toilets.

>> and my pals.  If you aren't one of that group, you don't matter, are
>> not counted in any statistic whatever, and why are you still here, you
>> should be dead by now, hurry up.
-- 
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Don't get political with me young man
or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
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