No it isn't (was: Re: it's called a baserate fallacy ...)

At Thu, 30 Jul 2026 20:43:53 -0700, Dude <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 7/30/2026 6:53 PM, dart200 wrote:
> > On 7/30/26 6:44 PM, Creon wrote:
> >> At Thu, 30 Jul 2026 19:42:44 -0400, Noah Sombrero <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 21:47:37 +0000, Creon <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> At Thu, 30 Jul 2026 14:02:12 -0700, Dude <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Post your opinion here:
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Fine, I shall:
> >>>>
> >>>> I think there is too much "baseline fallacy" in the economics
> >>>> discussion.
> >>>>
> >>>> And, I think the idea that the wealthy buy politicians is
> >>>> a bit trite.
> >>>
> >>> And the reason certain ideas become trite is...
> >>
> >> $ dict trite
> >> 2 definitions found
> >>
> >>  From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 
> >> [gcide]:
> >>
> >>    Trite \Trite\ (tr[imac]t), a. [L. tritus, p. p. of terere to
> >>       rub, to wear out; probably akin to E. throw. See {Throw}, and
> >>       cf. {Contrite}, {Detriment}, {Tribulation}, {Try}.]
> >>       Worn out; common; used until so common as to have lost
> >>       novelty and interest; hackneyed; stale; as, a trite remark; a
> >>       trite subject. -- {Trite"ly}, adv. -- {Trite"ness}, n.
> >>       [1913 Webster]
> >>
> >>  From WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006) [wn]:
> >>
> >>    trite
> >>        adj 1: repeated too often; overfamiliar through overuse;
> >>               "bromidic sermons"; "his remarks were trite and
> >>               commonplace"; "hackneyed phrases"; "a stock answer";
> >>               "repeating threadbare jokes"; "parroting some timeworn
> >>               axiom"; "the trite metaphor `hard as nails'" [syn:
> >>               {banal}, {commonplace}, {hackneyed}, {old-hat},
> >>               {shopworn}, {stock(a)}, {threadbare}, {timeworn},
> >>               {tired}, {trite}, {well-worn}]
> >>
> >> ...and have I introduced you to the "panopticon" theory of media
> >> dynamics?
> >>
> >> Media doesn't report what everyone thinks, it reports what it wants
> >> everyone to think everyone thinks.
> >>
> >> Political corruption is a problem, but implying that _all_
> >> wealthy people are part of that is...a baseline fallacy.
> > seriously this group is literally just noah + a bunch of retarded cons 
> > with their heads stuck up their butts, eh???
> > 
> > it's statistically provable that public opinion does _not_ influence 
> > federal policy, and that only the opinion of the wealthy matters in us 
> > federal policy. they do this by surveying groups of people, segmenting 
> > them by wealth class, and comparing that to the result of public policy. 
> > it's not a hard analysis.
> > 
> > in order to claim the /baserate/ fallacy u need some stats to back that 
> > up, claiming it out of the blue is just a _bear_ assertion
> >
> That should be a wrap!

Yes.  Specifically, fishrap.

(It's used to attract the _bear_s, I guess?)

dart200 is confused, that's not what the baseline fallacy
is.  The baseline fallacy is assuming "all" for "many", because
the large majority of a group form a "baseline" that is then
used to pigeonhole the whole group.

But I'm sure Nick knew all that.  That's what I like about him:
his attention to detail.

> >>>> My biz partner has met with the FCC, along
> >>>> with other representatives from regional ISPs that he
> >>>> picked up along the way.  Can't afford lobbiests?  Lobby yourself.
> >>>>
> >>>> Someday I'll have to tell you our "coopetition" story.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Note: The opinions expressed by informants are their own and do not
> >>>>> necessarily represent the views of all Usenet board subscribers.

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