Re: what is economics for anyways????????

On 7/30/2026 12:45 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 11:52:01 -0400, Wilson <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 7/30/2026 11:22 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>> On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 10:14:08 -0400, Wilson <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 7/29/2026 6:12 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 18:04:09 -0400, Wilson <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/29/2026 5:33 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 17:16:24 -0400, Wilson <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/28/2026 5:26 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> heck the only reason we see any innovation in the private sector at all
>>>>>>>>> is the fact that capitalist ideologues continually push all production
>>>>>>>>> to the private sector to they can profit off after the foundation
>>>>>>>>> research is completely by the academic/public sector, because
>>>>>>>>> foundational research is _far_ too risks for profit huffing morons
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> we bearly even _allow_ the public sector to compete in production, so
>>>>>>>>> who knows what kind of innovation we're leaving on the table cause
>>>>>>>>> profit huffing morons control all the consumer production
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The public sector has an awful record of efficiency. Public grocery
>>>>>>>> stores for example, and that's gotta be one of the simplest things in
>>>>>>>> the world to run.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, I'm not convinced that business interests have permitted any
>>>>>>> such experiment.  Their lobbyists would be blowing the doors down of
>>>>>>> any legislature that thought a little about any such thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mayor Zohran Mamdani’s five city-owned grocery stores will provide a 30
>>>>>> percent discount on produce, meat, bread and milk.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/27/nyregion/mamdani-grocery-stores-discount.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The history of that sort of thing isn't stellar:
>>>>>> https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMi1jb3B5_367f580e-7c8f-4fa3-961a-ee7efc5d36d6
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course you can find a source that will accuse that.  I suspect the
>>>>> verdict is not in on those stores yet.  Remembering that their purpose
>>>>> is not to turn a profit, so they probably will not, and much will
>>>>> depend on the willingness of govt to continue funding the experiment
>>>>> as helpful as it is.
>>>>>
>>>>> It turns out that helpful or not is not the criteria we apply to
>>>>> social projects.  It is always cost.  And has the cost become a
>>>>> political liability in the minds of powerful people?
>>>>
>>>> "Helpful"? Compared to what?
>>>
>>> compared to do nothing, do nothing, do nothing, deny, deny deny.
>>
>> Compared to do anything, anything at all, we need change no matter the
>> cost, no matter the result.
> 
> The definition of conservative:  fear of change
> The definition of liberal:  willingness to try new things with the
> hope that things might somehow, someway, someday get better.

The definition of a progressive: Change now, any change, no matter the 
cost, no matter the result!