Re: The unspoken truth about wildfires

On Jul 31, 2026 at 4:20:51 PM EDT, "dart200"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> On 7/31/26 1:02 PM, Tara wrote:
>> On Jul 31, 2026 at 3:46:18 PM EDT, "dart200"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 7/31/26 12:35 PM, Tara wrote:
>>>> On Jul 31, 2026 at 3:11:12 PM EDT, "dart200"
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 7/31/26 11:25 AM, Julian wrote:
>>>>>> On 31/07/2026 19:06, Tara wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2026 at 12:40:32 PM EDT, "Wilson" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 7/30/2026 3:50 PM, Tara wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Julian <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 30/07/2026 19:56, Tara wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2026 at 2:53:09 PM EDT, "Julian"
>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 30/07/2026 19:29, Tara wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2026 at 2:04:17 PM EDT, "Julian"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sadly he was proved right. So was I. After I warned in these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very pages
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> last year that government policy was worsening the fire risk on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moorland, it gives me no pleasure to say: ‘I told you so.’
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Ridley
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indigenous peoples in North America have been conrolling the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat of wild
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fires with prescribed/controlled burns for centuries. Canada is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same in co-operation with our native people. We have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem doing this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> however because of the acessibility and vastness of our forests.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> country the size of Britain (and other European countries), it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems to me
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that controlled fires are a no brainer.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are inaccessible fires in vast forests really a problem?
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think they're as likely good for the land's long term health.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> There is that, but an uncontrolled fire can massively grow and
>>>>>>>>>>> send a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>> smoke to people populated areas.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> A bit like a volcano.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Yeah like that.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The northeast US is hundreds of miles from the wildfires yet we've had
>>>>>>>> serious air quality warnings this year and last. A few weeks ago it
>>>>>>>> literally dimmed the sun for several days, making what was otherwise a
>>>>>>>> clear day look cloudy.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wildfires-smoke-millions-exposed-
>>>>>>>> midwest-northeast-us/
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Those pictures are not an exaggeration. That's what it really looked
>>>>>>>> like.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Meanwhile the idiot treehuggers think they know what's best.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I am an admitted tree hugger but I am also a realist and think that
>>>>>>> one answer
>>>>>>> here is controlled burning. Another is education and strictly enforced
>>>>>>> laws
>>>>>>> against those who are careless and start fires through laziness and
>>>>>>> ignorance,
>>>>>>> clearing vegetation around and near dwellings and building fire resistent
>>>>>>> homes.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That would probably be more effective than increasing the price
>>>>>> of petrol, gas and electricity for already stretched workers.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> jooliean you truly are a useless fucking retard. this ofc isn't written
>>>>> for u cause ur determined to take ur damned ignorance to the grave, but
>>>>> for the record:
>>>>> 
>>>>> not only are boreal forest are far too vast to effectively mitigate
>>>>> increased risk from climate change, meaning we haven't even been
>>>>> engaging in serious fire suppression for the much of forest so that's
>>>>> _not_ the cause like cons desperate wants to believe; just controlled
>>>>> burns don't even effectively mitigate risk as the ecology of a boreal
>>>>> forest is different than a temperate one, so it requires fuel management
>>>>> strategies that are far more labor intensive
>>>> 
>>>> Ummm. if you care to look back a bit, the problem with boreal forests (in
>>>> Canada) has already been addressed.
>>> 
>>> why are you such a dumb fucking liar tara???
>>> 
>>> all u discussed was the size of the forest, u did not discuss the fact
>>> the conventional controlled burns do not effectively mitigate fire risk
>>> in boreal forests, nor the increased costs of the various techniques
>>> that must be employed instead
>>> 
>>> and you still haven't even after i've pointed it out in several posts.
>>> clear evidence of refusing to face the facts like a retarded boomer
>>> 
>>>> classic fucking abdfg con
>>>> 
>>>> #god
>> 
>>    Were you aware of this.  Drones - Is fairly new
>> 
>> B.C. firefighters use drone to ignite a controlled burn while fighting an
>> active wildfire
>> 
>> Fons Raedschelders said he “shed a very happy tear” over the weekend after
>> wildland firefighters in British Columbia conducted a controlled burn using a
>> drone on an active wildfire.
>> 
>> “It’s super exciting,” said Raedschelders, superintendent of the BC Wildfire
>> Service’s cultural and prescribed fire program.
>> 
>> “Those of us who have been kind of working in this space and thinking about
>> this for the last six to eight years of where we started the first ones on
>> prescribed burns, we’ve been waiting for this moment.”
>> 
>> The wildfire service announced Tuesday that crews had successfully conducted
>> the controlled burn using a drone on the south flank of the Brunswick complex
>> of wildfires near Boston Bar, B.C., where residents of hundreds of properties
>> have been evacuated.
>> 
>> The operation is described by the province as a Canadian first, and
>> Raedschelders said in an interview Tuesday that there’s room for many more
>> applications of drone usage in B.C.’s fight against wildfires.
>> 
>> He said the service has been testing drones in the prescribed burns program
>> for several years and knew the technology could have a major impact on how
>> crews battle fires in a variety of situations.
>> 
>> “We knew that once we could figure it out and get it in there that it would
>> provide us with so much,” Raedschelders said.
>> 
>> The BC Wildfire Service says crews working on the Brunswick complex of
>> wildfires near Boston Bar northeast of Vancouver used a drone to trigger a
>> controlled burn in what it says was a Canadian first. The wildfire service
>> says the drone was able to 'safely and precisely ignite targeted fuels' in
>> mountainous terrain.
>> 
>> Using drones to ignite controlled burns allows access to active wildfires in
>> terrains and situations that are unsuitable for helicopters and groundcrews,
>> he said.
>> 
>> The service also uses infrared cameras on the drones to track and map the
>> progress of fires with high resolution images through thick smoke and other
>> conditions.
>> 
>> Raedschelders said the images have been crucial in training firefighting
>> tactics and they’re used to determine fire conditions without risking people
>> on the ground.
>> 
>> “It provides a lot of what we call situational awareness,” he said.
>> 
>> “Intel is always the most important part of a lot of this work, and to be able
>> to keep crews safe and be more efficient and have more options and see more,
>> know more, so we can do the right thing and do more, it’s pretty exciting for
>> me.”
>> 
>> For the ignition, crews used the drone to drop plastic spheres the size of
>> Ping-Pong balls that ignite on impact through a chemical reaction.
>> 
>> Morgan Blois with the BC Wildfire Service said during a news conference
>> updating the province’s fire situation on Tuesday that the use of drones to
>> drop the ignition devices more precisely allows crews to better track the
>> blaze and “prevent any further unwanted spread.”
>> 
>> It also improves safety for aircrews, as using drones provides them with a way
>> to have fewer people in helicopters, preventing unnecessary risks to
>> personnel, Blois said.
>> 
>> Speaking at the same news conference in Vancouver, provincial Forests Minister
>> Ravi Parmar lauded the new use of drones in combatting active wildfires.
>> 
>> “This is an exciting new step in wildfire suppression here in B.C.,” Parmar
>> said. “These ignitions are often done by hand or by helicopter and are a key
>> part in managing wildfires in very challenging terrain.
>> 
>> “I’m proud that British Columbia is once again leading the way with this
>> technology, while helping to keep our crews safe.”
>> 
>> A BC Wildfire Service video posted to Facebook showed the drone flying low
>> through areas of heavy smoke at levels where helicopters cannot safely
>> operate.
>> 
>> Raedschelders said firefighters do not view it as a competition between drones
>> and helicopters as a method of fighting wildfires, but rather as different
>> tools that allow to more effectively combat blazes in different settings.
>> 
>> “We’re constantly uncovering new uses as we integrate the technology,” he
>> said.
>> 
>> “The drone itself or the tools or the capabilities are the easy part. I would
>> say the important part is the integration into response operations and the
>> systems that we have in place.”
>> 
>> G&M
> 
> literally the first thought in my mind is: is that actually a boreal
> forest??? and the answer is no, boston bar bc is not in a boreal forest
> 
> so great: controlled burns do work there, but that doesn't represent the
> vast majority (>75%) of canadian forests which are boreal. bc in general
> is unusual for canada as it has that whole inland rainforest thing going
> on as well
> 
> also we could already do areal ignition by helicopters, this is just a
> cheaper version that works if u have road access near by (electric drone
> range ain't great)

OMG I didn;t say it was a boreal forest. I simply thought that was something
new and interesting.  Read my post after that where I do address the boreal
forest thing. You do have a long long reach when you try to counter something
don't you. give it up already.