Re: Exciting New Birth Control Method Call ed “Socialism”

On Sun, 02 Aug 2026 10:57:32 -0400, Noah Sombrero <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Sun, 2 Aug 2026 10:37:31 -0400, Wilson <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>On 8/1/2026 11:01 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>> On 8/1/26 10:54 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 8/1/2026 1:17 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 1 Aug 2026 12:44:34 -0400, Wilson <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/31/2026 5:13 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 31 Jul 2026 16:18:26 -0400, Wilson <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm talking about the deep state functionaries who are virtually
>>>>>>>> unfireable wanting to maintain their system of permanent 
>>>>>>>> employment and control.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Himbo has demonstrated that no such level exists in government.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In fact, in terms of control, the election of himbo twice confirms
>>>>>>> that.  If they had control, that would not have happened.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Influence =/= control.
>>>>>
>>>>> Significant influence is lacking then.  Himbo's presidency proves that
>>>>> much.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are hedging now.  Tara might even say fudging.  Now put that
>>>>> marble back where it was.
>>>>
>>>> The right answer is to make all of the executive branch employees 
>>>> fireable by the person in charge of the executive branch. The congress 
>>>> won't do that but they should.
>>> 
>>> i'm not really sure how firing and rehiring the entire govt every 4 
>>> years could ever be efficient... these aren't orgs that can be replaced 
>>> by competition dud. they run integral systems within society that we 
>>> actually do depend on
>>> 
>>> besides... this is not really really the point of electing a president. 
>>> the president does not set policy, the president just leads the org that 
>>> enacts the policy set by congress. if the bureaucrats are making 
>>> decision, then policy needs to change, and congress should be doing 
>>> that, not the president
>>> 
>>> ofc, no one guarantee a govt ideals from the 1700s would scale forever. 
>>> i don't think inducing fed employee churn is a meaningfully resolution 
>>> to our problems wilson
>>
>>The president is not inferior to the congress. He does get to set the 
>>policies of his administration and that's what the people elected him to 
>>do. If his policies conflict with what congress wants, the congress can 
>>pass laws, override his veto, and set the budget to fund what they want 
>>to happen. And the president has to live within those confines.
>>
>>No one wants to fire the entire federal bureaucracy every time a new 
>>president is elected. But what the president should be able to do is 
>>replace those he sees as opposing what the people elected him to do.
>>
>>That's not the way it is now. People in the executive branch bureaus 
>>literally cannot be fired if they actively oppose the president's 
>>policies and try to roadblock them. That's the current law.
>
>That's odd.  It seems himbo did exactly that, continues to do exactly
>that.  
>
>But:   fired if they actively oppose the president's policies and try
>to roadblock them.
>
>Policies are not laws.  I would say, that Fed employees should stay
>within the laws, and if it should be their job to decide a certain
>thing, they should not be punished for doing that.

In other words, why have an employee whose job it is to decide issues
the way the pres wants?  

>Of course it gets really nasty if the pres then comes back and
>attempts to scrounge up some excuse to prosecute his critics.
>Investigations are supposed to be based on reasonable suspicions,
>rather than a search for a suspicion.
>
>>That's anti-democratic. Because those people are hardly answerable to 
>>anyone, actually. Their jobs are protected. It's very difficult for them 
>>to be fired individually. They are practically beyond the control of the 
>>elected government, unless the entire bureau is ended.
>
>I don't see how you can say that in light of recent pres actions.
>
>>That permanent administrative apparatus isn't coequal to or above the 
>>president. It wasn't supposed to be outside of his purview. The congress 
>>gets to approve executive branch cabinet level positions. Those cabinet 
>>officers then get to run the bureaus that congress gave them 
>>responsibility for. The president can later fire any of the cabinet 
>>officers at any time without approval by congress. It's set up that way 
>>because, while they need to be approved by congress, they work for him.
>
>Didn't you unsay yourself here?  Sure, himbo has been firing at will
>and hiring his sycophants.  That is not enough for you?
>
>>Those administrative bureaus were deliberately put inside the executive 
>>branch under the cabinet officers instead of being under the direct 
>>control of congress. They literally work under the president and that's 
>>the way the congress set them up.
>>
>>That specific organizational structure was created for a reason. Those 
>>orgs need to be directed and managed and the congress didn't want that 
>>responsibility. They knew then and they know now they can't do that job 
>>because they can hardly effectively manage themselves.
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