Re: Ceuta is what happens when you’re not serio us about migration

On 8/2/26 10:57 AM, Dude wrote:
> On 8/2/2026 10:25 AM, dart200 wrote:
>> On 8/2/26 9:48 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>> On 8/1/2026 10:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>> On 8/1/26 10:17 AM, Julian wrote:
>>>>> Ursula von der Leyen doesn’t seem to care about the tide of people 
>>>>> rushing the Spanish border. Voters in Britain will
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If any of us were in doubt about the scale of the problem facing 
>>>>> our borders, that ended in half an hour on Thursday. Thousands of 
>>>>> topless Moroccan men were filmed scrambling over rocks, pushing 
>>>>> over walls and setting things on fire as they rushed into Ceuta, 
>>>>> the Spanish exclave in north Africa.
>>>>>
>>>>> To watch the footage was, simply, to be boggled. How many people 
>>>>> were in that frame? Why were they doing this? Who even were they?
>>>>>
>>>>> And what about the people of Ceuta, a city with a population 
>>>>> smaller than Eastbourne on the coast near Tangier, long governed by 
>>>>> Spain? What would we do if Eastbourne was overrun by 60,000 foreign 
>>>>> berserkers?
>>>>>
>>>>> Some would argue it already has been.
>>>>>
>>>>> I’ve written a lot about Nigel Farage, the movement of people and 
>>>>> the threat of small boats. And, to be honest, I’ve always been a 
>>>>> bit embarrassed doing it. You don’t have to have watched The 
>>>>> Odyssey to know that human decency says you must at least try to 
>>>>> welcome refugees and migrants, especially if you’re one of the 
>>>>> richest countries in the world and they’re victims of wars you’ve 
>>>>> started or meddled in — which is, of course, in the end, most of 
>>>>> the wars. This has always been Europe’s position.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet, looking at the surging crowds, I thought: hasn’t it gone a bit 
>>>>> far now? Europe wants us to do what?
>>>>>
>>>>> They want us to just deal with thousands more illegals, on top of 
>>>>> the thousands who have already come here on boats this year — 752 
>>>>> on Wednesday alone — because they simply can’t be bothered to stop 
>>>>> them or, worse, expect us to actually welcome them in, as they do? 
>>>>> To give them free houses, taxis, mobile phones, allow scores of 
>>>>> dependants to also come across — because: human rights — when there 
>>>>> are barely enough houses for the people who are already here, when 
>>>>> taxes are this high, when the NHS is messy, dysfunctional and 
>>>>> killing people?
>>>>>
>>>>> Are we just expected to take it?
>>>>>
>>>>> For Ursula von der Leyen, the useless, robo-haired functionary at 
>>>>> the top of the European Commission, the answer is yes. She couldn’t 
>>>>> have cared less about the Ceuta stampede. At most, for her, 
>>>>> thousands of gleeful men romping up metal railings, raiding shops 
>>>>> and then sleeping, half-naked, out in the open, were a mere HR/ 
>>>>> health and safety issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> “Dangerous crossings” must not happen, she tweeted on Friday. “I 
>>>>> tasked two commissioners to support to control the situation.”
>>>>>
>>>>> I looked up the commissioners. One was a wet-looking Austrian 
>>>>> ninth- tier politician, a holder of the Grand Cross of 
>>>>> Liechtenstein. The other was a former mayor of Dubrovnik and 
>>>>> recipient of the 2006 World Mayor Award. Are they real people? It’s 
>>>>> like sending Gareth and Dawn from The Office.
>>>>>
>>>>> Europe has never been serious about stopping migration. 
>>>>> Philosophically, it’s not their thing. Effective returns of people 
>>>>> who flood into Greece, Spain, Italy, France and so on bump along at 
>>>>> only 28 per cent. Spain’s prime minister, Pedro Sánchez, whose 
>>>>> recent policies made the rush on Ceuta possible, could not, when he 
>>>>> addressed the press on Friday, even bring himself to use the word 
>>>>> “border”. The police would put a “physical containment barrier” in 
>>>>> the sea, he said, to stop migrants swimming the three miles from 
>>>>> Morocco to Spain.
>>>>>
>>>>> How about telling them they simply won’t be welcome? How about not 
>>>>> promising an amnesty, as he did this year, prompting the surge? How 
>>>>> about seeing a huge body of random people just over the border and 
>>>>> not automatically thinking, what can I do to make it even easier 
>>>>> for these people to enter my territory? What can I give them? Shall 
>>>>> I pass them a lifejacket, a cup of tea, a credit card, an SUV and a 
>>>>> four-bedroom house in Kilburn?
>>>>>
>>>>> These people aren’t refugees, by the way, or asylum seekers. 
>>>>> They’re economic migrants, chancing it. As one of them put it, when 
>>>>> the border’s down they’ll try anything, because: “Salaries are very 
>>>>> low in Morocco. It’s dead, Morocco is dead.”
>>>>>
>>>>> For them, Ceuta’s a jaunty day trip.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any serious attempt to deal with the many millions who flood in is 
>>>>> resisted with psychotic anger in the European parliament. Its 
>>>>> recent plan to create “return hubs” was met with scorn. One 
>>>>> commissioner, two weeks ago, said  that  “extraterritorial centres” 
>>>>> had bad human rights records. Australia’s plans led to “years of 
>>>>> arbitrary detention in inhuman conditions”. Similar plans by Israel 
>>>>> (it’s always Israel) left asylum seekers in “legal limbo”.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fear of legal limbo — is that a reason to desecrate an entire 
>>>>> continent? These politicians are consumed by madness and guilt. 
>>>>> They are embarrassed by Europe’s wealth, its global standing and 
>>>>> its relative ease of life. They feel it is their mission to tear 
>>>>> this down by waving in thousands of people who shouldn’t be here. 
>>>>> And those people know this, which is why thousands still tip up in 
>>>>> Italy each month, to Giorgia Meloni’s horror. Sánchez himself has 
>>>>> said that Spain will welcome 500,000  migrants. This will tear 
>>>>> Europe apart.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some of these arrivals will head out of Spain and go north, 
>>>>> attracted by our better healthcare, education system and free houses.
>>>>>
>>>>> We pay the French £662 million to stop them coming here from 
>>>>> Calais, but, as Chris Philp, the shadow home secretary, found out 
>>>>> on Tuesday, like every EU official with a lifejacket they don’t do 
>>>>> the job.
>>>>>
>>>>> Philp was mocked for running up and down the French coast, asking 
>>>>> the gendarmerie why they were doing “absolutely nothing” to stop 
>>>>> people- smugglers loading up hundreds on boats in front of them. 
>>>>> “Our order is to let them go like that,” shrugged one. “We just 
>>>>> have to say to them, don’t do that, it’s dangerous.”
>>>>>
>>>>> As I said: mere health and safety.
>>>>>
>>>>> The strange thing about migration is that it should be the easiest 
>>>>> thing in the world to manage. There is nothing more simple than 
>>>>> securing the borders of one’s country. Yet many politicians seem 
>>>>> unable to speak on this matter. Andy Burnham and Ed Miliband, the 
>>>>> foreign secretary — all tongue-tied.
>>>>>
>>>>> On other subjects, the prime minister won’t shut up: poetry, tea, 
>>>>> pubs, education, bus fares, electricity, who he’s going tax, why he 
>>>>> felt Cambridge let him down. On Europe, he couldn’t be clearer: he 
>>>>> wants an “even closer” relationship. On immigration, though, nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>> At some point, perhaps when he sees his TikToks falling off a cliff 
>>>>> as eyeballs race to the astonishing pictures of Moroccans marching 
>>>>> in relentless columns across Spanish soil, he may realise that 
>>>>> however much the EU tries to obfuscate the reality of what is 
>>>>> happening, however much they try to tidy it away (“50,000 have gone 
>>>>> back now”), however much they pretend that what happened on 
>>>>> Thursday wasn’t their Tiananmen Square — an event we can never 
>>>>> unsee — there are only two subjects that will interest people at 
>>>>> the next election. Money, and this.
>>>>>
>>>>> The longer Burnham prevaricates and utters soundbites, the longer 
>>>>> Labour tries to pretend the matter is in hand when it isn’t, the 
>>>>> more people will come across, the more our seaside towns will be 
>>>>> destroyed, the more stories will leak out about migrants bringing 
>>>>> over 18 members of their families and/or raping people. Is he ready 
>>>>> for it?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Camilla Long
>>>>
>>>> capitalists and crying about free association: name a more ironic duo
>>>>
>>>
>>> Do the citizens of Ceuta get a say in who they associate with?
>>
>> this is like idiot reddit admins claiming censorship is actually free 
>> speech. god u sheeple are truly that fucking retarded everywhere, eh???
>>
>> and no wilson: free association means that the "citizens of cueta" do 
>> not get a say in barring each other from freely associating. otherwise 
>> that's not free association, it's association limited by wherever the 
>> fuck u happened to be born.
>>
>> idk why u insist on endless mental gymnastics, but it's clear u don't 
>> actually support free association. u support coercively barring 
>> association based on what u feel is in your best interest.
>>
> Get serious! Now you're claiming to be be a social scientist?
> 
> You probably never even heard of a country named Ceuta, Spain before 
> yesterday.
> 
> Let's face it. Nick is not smarter than a 5th grader.

ur a complete fucking idiot dud

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