Re: Ceuta is what happens when you’re not serio us about migration

On 8/2/2026 11:31 AM, dart200 wrote:
> On 8/2/26 10:57 AM, Dude wrote:
>> On 8/2/2026 10:25 AM, dart200 wrote:
>>> On 8/2/26 9:48 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 8/1/2026 10:37 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>> On 8/1/26 10:17 AM, Julian wrote:
>>>>>> Ursula von der Leyen doesn’t seem to care about the tide of people 
>>>>>> rushing the Spanish border. Voters in Britain will
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If any of us were in doubt about the scale of the problem facing 
>>>>>> our borders, that ended in half an hour on Thursday. Thousands of 
>>>>>> topless Moroccan men were filmed scrambling over rocks, pushing 
>>>>>> over walls and setting things on fire as they rushed into Ceuta, 
>>>>>> the Spanish exclave in north Africa.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To watch the footage was, simply, to be boggled. How many people 
>>>>>> were in that frame? Why were they doing this? Who even were they?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And what about the people of Ceuta, a city with a population 
>>>>>> smaller than Eastbourne on the coast near Tangier, long governed 
>>>>>> by Spain? What would we do if Eastbourne was overrun by 60,000 
>>>>>> foreign berserkers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some would argue it already has been.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’ve written a lot about Nigel Farage, the movement of people and 
>>>>>> the threat of small boats. And, to be honest, I’ve always been a 
>>>>>> bit embarrassed doing it. You don’t have to have watched The 
>>>>>> Odyssey to know that human decency says you must at least try to 
>>>>>> welcome refugees and migrants, especially if you’re one of the 
>>>>>> richest countries in the world and they’re victims of wars you’ve 
>>>>>> started or meddled in — which is, of course, in the end, most of 
>>>>>> the wars. This has always been Europe’s position.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet, looking at the surging crowds, I thought: hasn’t it gone a 
>>>>>> bit far now? Europe wants us to do what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They want us to just deal with thousands more illegals, on top of 
>>>>>> the thousands who have already come here on boats this year — 752 
>>>>>> on Wednesday alone — because they simply can’t be bothered to stop 
>>>>>> them or, worse, expect us to actually welcome them in, as they do? 
>>>>>> To give them free houses, taxis, mobile phones, allow scores of 
>>>>>> dependants to also come across — because: human rights — when 
>>>>>> there are barely enough houses for the people who are already 
>>>>>> here, when taxes are this high, when the NHS is messy, 
>>>>>> dysfunctional and killing people?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are we just expected to take it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For Ursula von der Leyen, the useless, robo-haired functionary at 
>>>>>> the top of the European Commission, the answer is yes. She 
>>>>>> couldn’t have cared less about the Ceuta stampede. At most, for 
>>>>>> her, thousands of gleeful men romping up metal railings, raiding 
>>>>>> shops and then sleeping, half-naked, out in the open, were a mere 
>>>>>> HR/ health and safety issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> “Dangerous crossings” must not happen, she tweeted on Friday. “I 
>>>>>> tasked two commissioners to support to control the situation.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I looked up the commissioners. One was a wet-looking Austrian 
>>>>>> ninth- tier politician, a holder of the Grand Cross of 
>>>>>> Liechtenstein. The other was a former mayor of Dubrovnik and 
>>>>>> recipient of the 2006 World Mayor Award. Are they real people? 
>>>>>> It’s like sending Gareth and Dawn from The Office.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Europe has never been serious about stopping migration. 
>>>>>> Philosophically, it’s not their thing. Effective returns of people 
>>>>>> who flood into Greece, Spain, Italy, France and so on bump along 
>>>>>> at only 28 per cent. Spain’s prime minister, Pedro Sánchez, whose 
>>>>>> recent policies made the rush on Ceuta possible, could not, when 
>>>>>> he addressed the press on Friday, even bring himself to use the 
>>>>>> word “border”. The police would put a “physical containment 
>>>>>> barrier” in the sea, he said, to stop migrants swimming the three 
>>>>>> miles from Morocco to Spain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about telling them they simply won’t be welcome? How about not 
>>>>>> promising an amnesty, as he did this year, prompting the surge? 
>>>>>> How about seeing a huge body of random people just over the border 
>>>>>> and not automatically thinking, what can I do to make it even 
>>>>>> easier for these people to enter my territory? What can I give 
>>>>>> them? Shall I pass them a lifejacket, a cup of tea, a credit card, 
>>>>>> an SUV and a four-bedroom house in Kilburn?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These people aren’t refugees, by the way, or asylum seekers. 
>>>>>> They’re economic migrants, chancing it. As one of them put it, 
>>>>>> when the border’s down they’ll try anything, because: “Salaries 
>>>>>> are very low in Morocco. It’s dead, Morocco is dead.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For them, Ceuta’s a jaunty day trip.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any serious attempt to deal with the many millions who flood in is 
>>>>>> resisted with psychotic anger in the European parliament. Its 
>>>>>> recent plan to create “return hubs” was met with scorn. One 
>>>>>> commissioner, two weeks ago, said  that  “extraterritorial 
>>>>>> centres” had bad human rights records. Australia’s plans led to 
>>>>>> “years of arbitrary detention in inhuman conditions”. Similar 
>>>>>> plans by Israel (it’s always Israel) left asylum seekers in “legal 
>>>>>> limbo”.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fear of legal limbo — is that a reason to desecrate an entire 
>>>>>> continent? These politicians are consumed by madness and guilt. 
>>>>>> They are embarrassed by Europe’s wealth, its global standing and 
>>>>>> its relative ease of life. They feel it is their mission to tear 
>>>>>> this down by waving in thousands of people who shouldn’t be here. 
>>>>>> And those people know this, which is why thousands still tip up in 
>>>>>> Italy each month, to Giorgia Meloni’s horror. Sánchez himself has 
>>>>>> said that Spain will welcome 500,000  migrants. This will tear 
>>>>>> Europe apart.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some of these arrivals will head out of Spain and go north, 
>>>>>> attracted by our better healthcare, education system and free houses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We pay the French £662 million to stop them coming here from 
>>>>>> Calais, but, as Chris Philp, the shadow home secretary, found out 
>>>>>> on Tuesday, like every EU official with a lifejacket they don’t do 
>>>>>> the job.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Philp was mocked for running up and down the French coast, asking 
>>>>>> the gendarmerie why they were doing “absolutely nothing” to stop 
>>>>>> people- smugglers loading up hundreds on boats in front of them. 
>>>>>> “Our order is to let them go like that,” shrugged one. “We just 
>>>>>> have to say to them, don’t do that, it’s dangerous.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I said: mere health and safety.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The strange thing about migration is that it should be the easiest 
>>>>>> thing in the world to manage. There is nothing more simple than 
>>>>>> securing the borders of one’s country. Yet many politicians seem 
>>>>>> unable to speak on this matter. Andy Burnham and Ed Miliband, the 
>>>>>> foreign secretary — all tongue-tied.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On other subjects, the prime minister won’t shut up: poetry, tea, 
>>>>>> pubs, education, bus fares, electricity, who he’s going tax, why 
>>>>>> he felt Cambridge let him down. On Europe, he couldn’t be clearer: 
>>>>>> he wants an “even closer” relationship. On immigration, though, 
>>>>>> nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At some point, perhaps when he sees his TikToks falling off a 
>>>>>> cliff as eyeballs race to the astonishing pictures of Moroccans 
>>>>>> marching in relentless columns across Spanish soil, he may realise 
>>>>>> that however much the EU tries to obfuscate the reality of what is 
>>>>>> happening, however much they try to tidy it away (“50,000 have 
>>>>>> gone back now”), however much they pretend that what happened on 
>>>>>> Thursday wasn’t their Tiananmen Square — an event we can never 
>>>>>> unsee — there are only two subjects that will interest people at 
>>>>>> the next election. Money, and this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The longer Burnham prevaricates and utters soundbites, the longer 
>>>>>> Labour tries to pretend the matter is in hand when it isn’t, the 
>>>>>> more people will come across, the more our seaside towns will be 
>>>>>> destroyed, the more stories will leak out about migrants bringing 
>>>>>> over 18 members of their families and/or raping people. Is he 
>>>>>> ready for it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Camilla Long
>>>>>
>>>>> capitalists and crying about free association: name a more ironic duo
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do the citizens of Ceuta get a say in who they associate with?
>>>
>>> this is like idiot reddit admins claiming censorship is actually free 
>>> speech. god u sheeple are truly that fucking retarded everywhere, eh???
>>>
>>> and no wilson: free association means that the "citizens of cueta" do 
>>> not get a say in barring each other from freely associating. 
>>> otherwise that's not free association, it's association limited by 
>>> wherever the fuck u happened to be born.
>>>
>>> idk why u insist on endless mental gymnastics, but it's clear u don't 
>>> actually support free association. u support coercively barring 
>>> association based on what u feel is in your best interest.
>>>
>> Get serious! Now you're claiming to be be a social scientist?
>>
>> You probably never even heard of a country named Ceuta, Spain before 
>> yesterday.
>>
>> Let's face it. Nick is not smarter than a 5th grader.
> 
> ur a complete fucking idiot dud
> 
You snipped out this, you rascal!

The crisis is reverberating far beyond Spain because it challenges one 
of the European Union’s central promises: that member states can 
maintain open internal borders while jointly protecting the bloc’s 
external frontier.