Re: assuming we don't have a 100x unicorn improvement in battery tech anytime soon ...

On 8/1/2026 7:20 PM, dart200 wrote:
> On 8/1/26 10:22 AM, Wilson wrote:
>> On 8/1/2026 12:38 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>> On 8/1/26 9:17 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 7/31/2026 6:45 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>> On 7/31/26 1:14 PM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/31/2026 2:31 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/31/26 10:14 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/31/2026 12:22 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/31/26 9:16 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There's this thing called ethics. The free market works best 
>>>>>>>>>> when the participants have a shared and broad ethical system 
>>>>>>>>>> that values (among other things) treating others fairly, the 
>>>>>>>>>> same way most of us want to be treated.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> coercive border control certainly isn't treating people fairly 
>>>>>>>>> u twat lol
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Open borders, which drive down pay for the lowest earners, are 
>>>>>>>> certainly not treating the people who already live there fairly, 
>>>>>>>> you mental munchkin.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> errr ... so competing in an open labor market is now unfair 
>>>>>>> because it results in the market driving down the price of labor???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that's exactly the market working as intended, what exactly is 
>>>>>>> unfair about it???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> what actual ethical principle has even been violated???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not allowing the owners to have a say in how things are run.
>>>>>
>>>>> ummm ... why would "the owners" /want/ to override the principles 
>>>>> of free and open markets dud???
>>>>>
>>>>> it brings prosperity for all, eh?
>>>>
>>>> Because they might see certain actions as acting against their best 
>>>> interests, like collectivists do for instance.
>>>
>>> so ur just arbitrarily deciding when to not abide by free market 
>>> principles... when it suits you???
>>>
>>> how is _that_ fairness???
>>
>> It isn't. But it is self-interest and before we throw that out like 
>> Noah says he wants to do, we need to take a good hard look at what the 
>> world would be like if we don't allow people to materially improve 
>> their lives through their own efforts.
>>
> 
> i'm sorry, opening the borders does not then prevent people from 
> materially improving their lives thru their own efforts dud ... that's a 
> total non-sequitur
>
Marxists view state ownership as a necessary first step, but their 
ultimate goal is a stateless, classless society where the entire 
community owns the property directly. >

> if they don't like low wage work they should start a business or invest 
> ya know???
> 
Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels argued that ruling classes rarely give up 
power peacefully. They wrote that force is the "midwife" of a new 
society born from an old one.

Marxists do not believe they can simply use the existing capitalist 
government structure. They believe they must break it down and build a 
workers' democracy in its place.