Re: Karma, and fires

On 8/3/2026 1:21 PM, dart200 wrote:
> On 8/3/26 10:27 AM, Dude wrote:
>> On 8/2/2026 6:31 PM, Creon wrote:
>>> At Sun, 2 Aug 2026 23:00:44 -0000 (UTC), Tara <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tara <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Creon <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> At Sun, 2 Aug 2026 12:57:40 -0400, Wilson <[email protected]> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/2/2026 12:31 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 2 Aug 2026 12:21:43 -0400, Wilson <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 7/31/2026 6:34 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/31/26 3:11 PM, Tara wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> dart200 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/31/26 1:28 PM, Tara wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2026 at 4:02:41?PM EDT, "Tara" <[email protected]> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2026 at 3:46:18?PM EDT, "dart200"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/31/26 12:35 PM, Tara wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2026 at 3:11:12?PM EDT, "dart200"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/31/26 11:25 AM, Julian wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31/07/2026 19:06, Tara wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2026 at 12:40:32?PM EDT, "Wilson"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/30/2026 3:50 PM, Tara wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julian <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 30/07/2026 19:56, Tara wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2026 at 2:53:09?PM EDT, "Julian"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 30/07/2026 19:29, Tara wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2026 at 2:04:17?PM EDT, "Julian"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sadly he was proved right. So was I. After I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> warned in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very pages
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> last year that government policy was worsening 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the fire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> risk on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moorland, it gives me no pleasure to say: ‘I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> told you so.’
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Ridley
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Indigenous peoples in North America have been 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conrolling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat of wild
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fires with prescribed/controlled burns for 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> centuries.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canada is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same in co-operation with our native 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people. We have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem doing this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however because of the acessibility and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vastness of our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forests.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country the size of Britain (and other European
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countries), it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems to me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that controlled fires are a no brainer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are inaccessible fires in vast forests really a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think they're as likely good for the land's 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long term
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> health.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is that, but an uncontrolled fire can 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> massively grow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> send a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smoke to people populated areas.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A bit like a volcano.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The northeast US is hundreds of miles from the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wildfires yet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we've had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serious air quality warnings this year and last. A 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few weeks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> literally dimmed the sun for several days, making 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clear day look cloudy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wildfires-smoke- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions-exposed-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> midwest-northeast-us/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those pictures are not an exaggeration. That's what 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile the idiot treehuggers think they know 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what's best.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am an admitted tree hugger but I am also a realist 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one answer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here is controlled burning. Another is education and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strictly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enforced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> against those who are careless and start fires through
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laziness and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clearing vegetation around and near dwellings and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fire resistent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> homes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That would probably be more effective than increasing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the price
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of petrol, gas and electricity for already stretched 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> workers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jooliean you truly are a useless fucking retard. this 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ofc isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> written
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for u cause ur determined to take ur damned ignorance 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grave, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the record:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not only are boreal forest are far too vast to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effectively mitigate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> increased risk from climate change, meaning we haven't 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> engaging in serious fire suppression for the much of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forest so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _not_ the cause like cons desperate wants to believe; just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> controlled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> burns don't even effectively mitigate risk as the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ecology of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boreal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forest is different than a temperate one, so it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> requires fuel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> management
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strategies that are far more labor intensive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ummm. if you care to look back a bit, the problem with 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boreal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forests (in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canada) has already been addressed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why are you such a dumb fucking liar tara???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all u discussed was the size of the forest, u did not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discuss the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the conventional controlled burns do not effectively 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mitigate fire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> risk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in boreal forests, nor the increased costs of the various 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> techniques
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that must be employed instead
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and you still haven't even after i've pointed it out in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clear evidence of refusing to face the facts like a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> retarded boomer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course we can't do anything about fires in the boreal 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> forest.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> given ffs We can only do what we can to protect the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> boundaries. !!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Idiot!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> great so u never mentioned that to joolian or his 
>>>>>>>>>>>> mindbogglingly stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>> article
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> u only admitted it after i pressed for several comments, so 
>>>>>>>>>>>> i have no
>>>>>>>>>>>> reason to believe u would have ever mentioned it otherwise.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chill. I think I said something to the effect that we have 
>>>>>>>>>>> vast forest
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> we can’t do anything about. Maybe not but I don’t understand why
>>>>>>>>>>> you’re so
>>>>>>>>>>> on about it. Pick the battles that matter. Or maybe just take 
>>>>>>>>>>> a break eh
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the freaking article suggest climate change is not a cause of 
>>>>>>>>>> wildfire
>>>>>>>>>> implying it's largely a problem of mismanagement and 
>>>>>>>>>> suppression...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> completely ignoring that boreal forests, where the largest 
>>>>>>>>>> increase in
>>>>>>>>>> risk is seen, are largely not managed anyways due to not only 
>>>>>>>>>> the sheer
>>>>>>>>>> size but also the fact that managing fuel costs ~10x that of 
>>>>>>>>>> temperate
>>>>>>>>>> forest. normal controlled burns aren't an option cause the 
>>>>>>>>>> risks are
>>>>>>>>>> just different.
>>>>>>>>> I think the expectation is a warming climate will be dryer and 
>>>>>>>>> that will
>>>>>>>>> increase wildfires.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Satellite data only goes back to the 1980s. But there's solid 
>>>>>>>>> scientific
>>>>>>>>> evidence based on fire scar date from tree rings on old growth 
>>>>>>>>> trees and
>>>>>>>>> studies of sediment data that shows reconstructed wildfire 
>>>>>>>>> history over
>>>>>>>>> thousands of years.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That evidence indicates that during the 20th century in North 
>>>>>>>>> America
>>>>>>>>> there's been fewer acres burned than in previous periods. They're
>>>>>>>>> calling it a "wildfire drought".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11811286/
>>>>>>>>> https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1112839109
>>>>>>>>> https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3295264/
>>>>>>>>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/388852965
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Strange how you can come up with results that show the exact 
>>>>>>>> opposite
>>>>>>>> of accepted research.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That was literally accepted research.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That you apparently would do well to read.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11811286/
>>>>>> Abstract
>>>>>> Rapid increases in wildfire area burned across North American forests
>>>>>> pose novel challenges for managers and society. Increasing area 
>>>>>> burned
>>>>>> raises questions about whether, and to what degree, contemporary fire
>>>>>> regimes (1984–2022) are still departed from historical fire 
>>>>>> regimes (pre-1880).[. . .]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since you seem to confuse the count of fires (quantitative) with
>>>>>> the size of fires (qualitative), you are succumbing to a type II
>>>>>> error.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, the Tubbs Fire in 2017 -- for which we evacuated, and from which
>>>>>> parts of Santa Rosa burned down -- could have been kept near 
>>>>>> Calistoga
>>>>>> if it wasn't for the Santa Ana winds that turned it into a firestorm.
>>>>>> The burn path was similar to the Hanly fire of 1964, and you would
>>>>>> be correct to say not enough was done to prevent a recurrence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, there is a troll in another newsgroup that continues to
>>>>>> say that he wishes California would burn.  This, because he
>>>>>> disagrees with (and apparently envies) our politics, our
>>>>>> economics, our technology...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When he, in Colorado, was finally threatened by a wildfire,
>>>>>> I told him that a) I didn't want Colorado to burn, but that b)
>>>>>> I hoped he would "die in a fire".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since then, I've had the worst week of "bad karma" of my life.
>>>>>> My wife and I apparently contracted Covid-19 on the way home
>>>>>> from our cruise, which means we are missing a gathering today
>>>>>> that I'd been looking forward to for a couple of months.  We
>>>>>> might also miss seeing AC/DC on Wednesday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But that's not the worst of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A couple of days ago, my favorite cat, Julie, died suddenly;
>>>>>> whether by stroke, aneurysm, or cardiac issue we don't know.
>>>>>> She just let out a moaning sound and collapsed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was probably something stress-related, since she had just
>>>>>> interacted with Kazumi, one of our other cats -- she hissed
>>>>>> at him to warn him to stay out of "her" room (my office).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Julie and I were very close.  She would perch on my shoulder
>>>>>> and watch while I used the computer.  She was a "foster failure",
>>>>>> where we had taken her off a friend's hands because the friend
>>>>>> couldn't handle having another cat anymore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Couldn't pet her when we first got her, as the previous
>>>>>> environment was not very loving, I'm afraid...but over the
>>>>>> years, she had learned to trust us, and I think she was
>>>>>> the sweetest inky in Santa Rosa.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (She was with us when we evacuated for the Glass fire, a fire
>>>>>> that I haven't even mentioned yet.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Every time I’ve brought another animal into my life I know that the
>>>>> inevitable will come. I’m sorry you’ve lost your Julie and I hope your
>>>>> karma has run its course. For now anyway because it’s always a for 
>>>>> now.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> P.S. don’t forget about the Rainbow Bridge. :)
>>>
>>> If there is a "God", then there has to be a Rainbow Bridge. :)
>>>
>>> I would say more about that, but it has gotten very dusty
>>> in this room all of a sudden...
>>>
>>> Okay, I guess I can't leave it with that.  I'll just point
>>> out that Heraclitus was writing of a "Logos" 500 BCE...and
>>> no, it wasn't the one from John 1:1.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heraclitus
>>>
>>> I take it to mean "divine order" (which many scholars think
>>> Heraclitus probably meant).  To me, that means the "Laws of Nature".
>>>
>>> If consciousness is an inherent property of the Cosmos,
>>> it gives me comfort to know that she is will all of us now.
>>>
>> Every single cell in the universe is conscious. That's the ultimate 
>> reality. Without consciousness nothing would exist in space or time.
>>
>> The idea that pets go to heaven is not so farfetched. YMMV.
> 
> the idea of u going to heaven dud, however is pretty damn farfetched
>
You are literally larping as a white evangelical Messianic Jew!
It depends on what you mean by "heaven". Evangelical Messianic teaches 
that "going to heaven" upon death is a temporary state, and the ultimate 
eternal hope is bodily resurrection on a renewed physical earth.