Re: Private Property

On 8/10/2026 9:03 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 11:43:59 -0400, Wilson <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 8/9/2026 6:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>> On 8/9/26 11:28 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 8/9/2026 1:34 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>> On 8/9/26 8:45 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At its core, free enterprise and a market economy can be reduced in
>>>>>> many ways to an economic ideology centered around private property.
>>>>>> It gives me extraordinary joy to see how our founders, in writing
>>>>>> the Declaration of Independence, declared that all men were "endowed
>>>>>> by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, among them are
>>>>>> life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here, the founders took the natural rights John Locke wrote about in
>>>>>> his Second Treatise of Government in 1690 – "lives, liberties, and
>>>>>> estates, which I call by the general name, property," and broadened
>>>>>> it.  They presupposed that property was necessary for liberty and
>>>>>> that the greater aspiration behind private property was "pursuit of
>>>>>> happiness" (what we call "human flourishing" in my tradition).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just weeks before the Declaration of Independence was written,
>>>>>> George Mason had codified in the Virginia Declaration of Rights that
>>>>>> "the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and
>>>>>> possessing property" were predicates to "pursuing and obtaining
>>>>>> happiness and safety."  The founding fathers were not waxing and
>>>>>> waning philosophically – well, they were not /only/ doing that –
>>>>>> they were expressing the lived experience of the settlers in the new
>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The lived experience that served as the bedrock of our nation was
>>>>>> one of private ownership driving incentives, of communal ownership
>>>>>> discouraging productive work, and one where resentment was
>>>>>> inevitable when rewards were equal, but effort was not.  Communal
>>>>>> ownership of property had failed in practice because it was first a
>>>>>> failed theory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Private property is a natural right that flows from our ability to
>>>>>> earn, hold, possess, retain, and manage the fruits of our own labor.
>>>>>> It produces responsibility, stewardship, and abundance that align
>>>>>> with human nature.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David L. Bahnsen
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> i love how capitalists love to jerk themselves off about freedom and
>>>>> flourishing endlessly while ignoring the fact 7/8 are enslaved to a
>>>>> nation-state system that coercively interferes with basic freedom of
>>>>> movement
>>>>>
>>>>> this world is a travesty of authoritarian control all you can do is
>>>>> keep crying endlessly about private property, as violently owning
>>>>> stuff is the _only_ principle you actually care about
>>>>
>>>> Self-defense is not the initiation of violence, and as it is oriented
>>>> towards the protection of life and the thriving of the human person,
>>>> it is a natural human right.
>>>
>>> you are _not_ your property
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Property as gained by the effort and work of a human being is
>>>> inherently a part of that person's life. As such, defense of that
>>>> property is also a human right.
>>>
>>> even the person who first came up with that predicated that right to
>>> mixing labor with land to claim property, on there being enough common
>>> lands left for all to utilize...
>>>
>>> which we've gone so far past that you want to keep 7/8 people on this
>>> planet chained to the nation state they were born in without even the
>>> permission to leave.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyone who attempts to take away one's property or other natural
>>>> rights is an enabler of tyranny, and therefore an enemy of life and of
>>>> humanity.
>>
>> I'm not keeping them in their home countries. They just can't all come
>> here, that's all.
> 
> Ok, lets change the wording a little.
> 
> "you want to keep 7/8 people on this
> planet chained to nation states where they can have no future, no hope
> of improvement in their lives without even the permission to go
> somewhere better."
>
There's no evidence that "7/8 people on this planet are chained to 
nation states". Are you guys nuts?

The fraction 7/8 is inaccurate. In reality, more than 99.9% of all 
people on Earth belong to or are recognized by a nation-state.

Only a tiny fraction of a percent of the global population is officially 
stateless.
 >
 >

> Same undeserved condemnation.
> 
> Regardless, coming to the us is no longer the good deal that it once
> was.  Too many people like wilson have no empathy for them for one
> thing, and are unwilling to let them even pull carrots or clean
> toilets.