Re: Private Property

On 8/10/2026 2:41 PM, dart200 wrote:
> On 8/10/26 2:36 PM, Dude wrote:
>> On 8/10/2026 11:37 AM, dart200 wrote:
>>> On 8/10/26 10:37 AM, Dude wrote:
>>>> On 8/9/2026 3:39 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>> On 8/9/26 3:21 PM, Dude wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/9/2026 10:34 AM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/9/26 8:45 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At its core, free enterprise and a market economy can be reduced 
>>>>>>>> in many ways to an economic ideology centered around private 
>>>>>>>> property. It gives me extraordinary joy to see how our founders, 
>>>>>>>> in writing the Declaration of Independence, declared that all 
>>>>>>>> men were "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable 
>>>>>>>> rights, among them are life, liberty, and the pursuit of 
>>>>>>>> happiness."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here, the founders took the natural rights John Locke wrote 
>>>>>>>> about in his Second Treatise of Government in 1690 – "lives, 
>>>>>>>> liberties, and estates, which I call by the general name, 
>>>>>>>> property," and broadened it.  They presupposed that property was 
>>>>>>>> necessary for liberty and that the greater aspiration behind 
>>>>>>>> private property was "pursuit of happiness" (what we call "human 
>>>>>>>> flourishing" in my tradition).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just weeks before the Declaration of Independence was written, 
>>>>>>>> George Mason had codified in the Virginia Declaration of Rights 
>>>>>>>> that "the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of 
>>>>>>>> acquiring and possessing property" were predicates to "pursuing 
>>>>>>>> and obtaining happiness and safety."  The founding fathers were 
>>>>>>>> not waxing and waning philosophically – well, they were not / 
>>>>>>>> only/ doing that – they were expressing the lived experience of 
>>>>>>>> the settlers in the new world.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The lived experience that served as the bedrock of our nation 
>>>>>>>> was one of private ownership driving incentives, of communal 
>>>>>>>> ownership discouraging productive work, and one where resentment 
>>>>>>>> was inevitable when rewards were equal, but effort was not. 
>>>>>>>> Communal ownership of property had failed in practice because it 
>>>>>>>> was first a failed theory.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Private property is a natural right that flows from our ability 
>>>>>>>> to earn, hold, possess, retain, and manage the fruits of our own 
>>>>>>>> labor. It produces responsibility, stewardship, and abundance 
>>>>>>>> that align with human nature.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David L. Bahnsen
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i love how capitalists love to jerk themselves off about freedom 
>>>>>>> and flourishing endlessly while ignoring the fact 7/8 are 
>>>>>>> enslaved to a nation-state system that coercively interferes with 
>>>>>>> basic freedom of movement
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are not responsible for anyone jerking themselves off, or not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are responsible only for your own jerking off - hopefully at 
>>>>>> home on your own time, maybe in the bathroom. Hopefully nobody is 
>>>>>> forcing you to stoop to self abuse, but that happens in marriage, 
>>>>>> especially just after giving birth. YMMV.
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>> this world is a travesty of authoritarian control all you can do 
>>>>>>> is keep crying endlessly about private property, as violently 
>>>>>>> owning stuff is the _only_ principle you actually care about
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have my sympathies. It's tough getting cut off! Remember, you 
>>>>>> have a human right to pleasure yourself!
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>   > what disgustingly creepy inhumane fuck you are
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's nothing to be ashamed of, Nick.
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>   > #god
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>>
>>>>> nice how you just ignored how capitalism went and chained 7/8 
>>>>> people of the entire planet to their respective nation states in 
>>>>> service of the only principle they actually care about: private 
>>>>> property
>>>>>
>>>> You are incorrect. 99.9% of all people on earth live in nation states.
>>>
>>> you are retarded
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You snipped this out:
>>>>
>>>> The United Nations explicitly states that humans have rights from 
>>>> birth in Article 1 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, 
>>>> which proclaims that "all human beings are born free and equal in 
>>>> dignity and rights".
>>>
>>> well we've clearly failed to achieve that since most humans are 
>>> chained to their nation states and lack equal freedom of movement
>>>
>> When the United Nations General Assembly adopted the Universal 
>> Declaration of Human Rights, out of the 58 member states at the time, 
>> 48 voted in favor, none voted against, 8 abstained, and 2 were absent.
>>
>>  >
>>
>>>>
>>>>> fuck you you dumb boomer cunt
>>>>>
>>>> You snipped something out and cross-posted. Let me repeat:
>>>>
>>>> We studied this in school: The French Revolution
>>>>
>>>> The revolution ended noble land monopolies and peasant dues in 
>>>> 1789.. Established private property as a basic human right. How?
>>>>
>>>> By abolishing feudal land rights and establishing legal protections 
>>>> for individual ownership in the Declaration of the Rights of Man.
>>>
>>> see what i mean? ur still defending property instead of addressing 
>>> the fact 7/8 on this planet are not free enough to simply walk around 
>>> freely
>>>
>>
>> The 8 Abstaining Countries:
>>
>> Saudi Arabia (objected to certain articles, such as freedom of 
>> religion and the right to change one's religion, viewing them as 
>> contrary to Islamic law)South Africa (abstained due to its apartheid 
>> system, which conflicted with the declaration's principles on racial 
>> equality)
>> Soviet Union
>> Belarus
>> Ukrainian
>> Czechoslovakia
>> Poland
> 
> is this supposed to somehow defend the rest of world which hasn't 
> managed basic freedom or movement??? idgaf what anyone signed dud,
>
Like I said:

The United Nations explicitly states that humans have rights from birth 
in Article 1 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which 
proclaims that "all human beings are born free and equal in dignity and 
rights".
 >

>   > actions speak louder than signatures
>   >
>   > #god
>