Re: Private Property

On 8/10/2026 4:06 PM, dart200 wrote:
> On 8/10/26 9:26 AM, Wilson wrote:
>> On 8/10/2026 12:03 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 11:43:59 -0400, Wilson <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 8/9/2026 6:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>> On 8/9/26 11:28 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/9/2026 1:34 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/9/26 8:45 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At its core, free enterprise and a market economy can be reduced in
>>>>>>>> many ways to an economic ideology centered around private property.
>>>>>>>> It gives me extraordinary joy to see how our founders, in writing
>>>>>>>> the Declaration of Independence, declared that all men were 
>>>>>>>> "endowed
>>>>>>>> by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, among them are
>>>>>>>> life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here, the founders took the natural rights John Locke wrote 
>>>>>>>> about in
>>>>>>>> his Second Treatise of Government in 1690 – "lives, liberties, and
>>>>>>>> estates, which I call by the general name, property," and broadened
>>>>>>>> it.  They presupposed that property was necessary for liberty and
>>>>>>>> that the greater aspiration behind private property was "pursuit of
>>>>>>>> happiness" (what we call "human flourishing" in my tradition).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just weeks before the Declaration of Independence was written,
>>>>>>>> George Mason had codified in the Virginia Declaration of Rights 
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> "the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and
>>>>>>>> possessing property" were predicates to "pursuing and obtaining
>>>>>>>> happiness and safety."  The founding fathers were not waxing and
>>>>>>>> waning philosophically – well, they were not /only/ doing that –
>>>>>>>> they were expressing the lived experience of the settlers in the 
>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The lived experience that served as the bedrock of our nation was
>>>>>>>> one of private ownership driving incentives, of communal ownership
>>>>>>>> discouraging productive work, and one where resentment was
>>>>>>>> inevitable when rewards were equal, but effort was not.  Communal
>>>>>>>> ownership of property had failed in practice because it was first a
>>>>>>>> failed theory.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Private property is a natural right that flows from our ability to
>>>>>>>> earn, hold, possess, retain, and manage the fruits of our own 
>>>>>>>> labor.
>>>>>>>> It produces responsibility, stewardship, and abundance that align
>>>>>>>> with human nature.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David L. Bahnsen
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i love how capitalists love to jerk themselves off about freedom and
>>>>>>> flourishing endlessly while ignoring the fact 7/8 are enslaved to a
>>>>>>> nation-state system that coercively interferes with basic freedom of
>>>>>>> movement
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> this world is a travesty of authoritarian control all you can do is
>>>>>>> keep crying endlessly about private property, as violently owning
>>>>>>> stuff is the _only_ principle you actually care about
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Self-defense is not the initiation of violence, and as it is oriented
>>>>>> towards the protection of life and the thriving of the human person,
>>>>>> it is a natural human right.
>>>>>
>>>>> you are _not_ your property
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Property as gained by the effort and work of a human being is
>>>>>> inherently a part of that person's life. As such, defense of that
>>>>>> property is also a human right.
>>>>>
>>>>> even the person who first came up with that predicated that right to
>>>>> mixing labor with land to claim property, on there being enough common
>>>>> lands left for all to utilize...
>>>>>
>>>>> which we've gone so far past that you want to keep 7/8 people on this
>>>>> planet chained to the nation state they were born in without even the
>>>>> permission to leave.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone who attempts to take away one's property or other natural
>>>>>> rights is an enabler of tyranny, and therefore an enemy of life 
>>>>>> and of
>>>>>> humanity.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not keeping them in their home countries. They just can't all come
>>>> here, that's all.
>>>
>>> Ok, lets change the wording a little.
>>>
>>> "you want to keep 7/8 people on this
>>> planet chained to nation states where they can have no future, no hope
>>> of improvement in their lives without even the permission to go
>>> somewhere better."
>>
>> No, I don't want to keep them "chained to nation states". As far as 
>> I'm concerned they are free to go anywhere that's willing to accept them.
> 
> my god the endless stupidity of capitalist morons refusing to accept 
> responsibility for the bullshit they preach...
> 
> which ofc is expected. a honest person cannot hold the positions of 
> sheeplefried capitalists.
> 
>>
>> I'm not even that attached to the idea of nation-states and kind of 
>> like the idea of free places that are outside of the nation-state.
>>
>> In any case, no place is obligated to accept everyone that wants to go 
>> there. The current citizens get a say in the matter.
> 
> you _are_ the fucking problem wilson. if the richest country on the 
> planet can't "afford" basic freedom of movement, then how in the fuck do 
> you expect others to follow???
> 
> ur pathetic "well-wishings" are meaningless platitudes compares to the 
> subethical positions you hold, which are directly causal in chaining 7/8 
> people on the planet to the nation states of their birth, something they 
> have _zero_ choice

Go get your consensus and then get back to me.