Re: Private Property

On 8/11/2026 1:43 PM, dart200 wrote:
> On 8/11/26 11:49 AM, Dude wrote:
>> On 8/11/2026 10:35 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>> On 8/10/2026 4:06 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>> On 8/10/26 9:26 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 8/10/2026 12:03 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 11:43:59 -0400, Wilson <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/9/2026 6:12 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/9/26 11:28 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 8/9/2026 1:34 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/9/26 8:45 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> At its core, free enterprise and a market economy can be 
>>>>>>>>>>> reduced in
>>>>>>>>>>> many ways to an economic ideology centered around private 
>>>>>>>>>>> property.
>>>>>>>>>>> It gives me extraordinary joy to see how our founders, in 
>>>>>>>>>>> writing
>>>>>>>>>>> the Declaration of Independence, declared that all men were 
>>>>>>>>>>> "endowed
>>>>>>>>>>> by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, among them are
>>>>>>>>>>> life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Here, the founders took the natural rights John Locke wrote 
>>>>>>>>>>> about in
>>>>>>>>>>> his Second Treatise of Government in 1690 – "lives, 
>>>>>>>>>>> liberties, and
>>>>>>>>>>> estates, which I call by the general name, property," and 
>>>>>>>>>>> broadened
>>>>>>>>>>> it.  They presupposed that property was necessary for liberty 
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> that the greater aspiration behind private property was 
>>>>>>>>>>> "pursuit of
>>>>>>>>>>> happiness" (what we call "human flourishing" in my tradition).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just weeks before the Declaration of Independence was written,
>>>>>>>>>>> George Mason had codified in the Virginia Declaration of 
>>>>>>>>>>> Rights that
>>>>>>>>>>> "the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of 
>>>>>>>>>>> acquiring and
>>>>>>>>>>> possessing property" were predicates to "pursuing and obtaining
>>>>>>>>>>> happiness and safety."  The founding fathers were not waxing and
>>>>>>>>>>> waning philosophically – well, they were not /only/ doing that –
>>>>>>>>>>> they were expressing the lived experience of the settlers in 
>>>>>>>>>>> the new
>>>>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The lived experience that served as the bedrock of our nation 
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> one of private ownership driving incentives, of communal 
>>>>>>>>>>> ownership
>>>>>>>>>>> discouraging productive work, and one where resentment was
>>>>>>>>>>> inevitable when rewards were equal, but effort was not.  
>>>>>>>>>>> Communal
>>>>>>>>>>> ownership of property had failed in practice because it was 
>>>>>>>>>>> first a
>>>>>>>>>>> failed theory.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Private property is a natural right that flows from our 
>>>>>>>>>>> ability to
>>>>>>>>>>> earn, hold, possess, retain, and manage the fruits of our own 
>>>>>>>>>>> labor.
>>>>>>>>>>> It produces responsibility, stewardship, and abundance that 
>>>>>>>>>>> align
>>>>>>>>>>> with human nature.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> David L. Bahnsen
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> i love how capitalists love to jerk themselves off about 
>>>>>>>>>> freedom and
>>>>>>>>>> flourishing endlessly while ignoring the fact 7/8 are enslaved 
>>>>>>>>>> to a
>>>>>>>>>> nation-state system that coercively interferes with basic 
>>>>>>>>>> freedom of
>>>>>>>>>> movement
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> this world is a travesty of authoritarian control all you can 
>>>>>>>>>> do is
>>>>>>>>>> keep crying endlessly about private property, as violently owning
>>>>>>>>>> stuff is the _only_ principle you actually care about
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Self-defense is not the initiation of violence, and as it is 
>>>>>>>>> oriented
>>>>>>>>> towards the protection of life and the thriving of the human 
>>>>>>>>> person,
>>>>>>>>> it is a natural human right.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you are _not_ your property
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Property as gained by the effort and work of a human being is
>>>>>>>>> inherently a part of that person's life. As such, defense of that
>>>>>>>>> property is also a human right.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> even the person who first came up with that predicated that 
>>>>>>>> right to
>>>>>>>> mixing labor with land to claim property, on there being enough 
>>>>>>>> common
>>>>>>>> lands left for all to utilize...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> which we've gone so far past that you want to keep 7/8 people on 
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> planet chained to the nation state they were born in without 
>>>>>>>> even the
>>>>>>>> permission to leave.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyone who attempts to take away one's property or other natural
>>>>>>>>> rights is an enabler of tyranny, and therefore an enemy of life 
>>>>>>>>> and of
>>>>>>>>> humanity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not keeping them in their home countries. They just can't all 
>>>>>>> come
>>>>>>> here, that's all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok, lets change the wording a little.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "you want to keep 7/8 people on this
>>>>>> planet chained to nation states where they can have no future, no 
>>>>>> hope
>>>>>> of improvement in their lives without even the permission to go
>>>>>> somewhere better."
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I don't want to keep them "chained to nation states". As far as 
>>>>> I'm concerned they are free to go anywhere that's willing to accept 
>>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> my god the endless stupidity of capitalist morons refusing to accept 
>>>> responsibility for the bullshit they preach...
>>>>
>>>> which ofc is expected. a honest person cannot hold the positions of 
>>>> sheeplefried capitalists.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not even that attached to the idea of nation-states and kind of 
>>>>> like the idea of free places that are outside of the nation-state.
>>>>>
>>>>> In any case, no place is obligated to accept everyone that wants to 
>>>>> go there. The current citizens get a say in the matter.
>>>>
>>>> you _are_ the fucking problem wilson. if the richest country on the 
>>>> planet can't "afford" basic freedom of movement, then how in the 
>>>> fuck do you expect others to follow???
>>>>
>>>> ur pathetic "well-wishings" are meaningless platitudes compares to 
>>>> the subethical positions you hold, which are directly causal in 
>>>> chaining 7/8 people on the planet to the nation states of their 
>>>> birth, something they have _zero_ choice
>>>
>>> Go get your consensus and then get back to me.
>>>
>> Over 99.9% of all people live in nation states. It's up to them to 
>> take care of their own, or not.
>>
>> The US has no business interfering with any nation states and their 
>> private property or internal affairs.
> 
> the US spent most a century interfering with internal affairs to ensure 
> private property stands as a global norm, no matter the cost. it's the 
> _only_ thing u fucking braindead apes care about
>
Let me be clear:

Libertarians strongly support staying out of international wars and 
foreign affairs. We believe in a foreign policy of non-intervention, 
peaceful trade, and a strong national defense - rather than foreign 
military involvement or nation-building.

Note: If necessary, hit them really hard in their nuts (wallet)!