Re: The Absolute Truth

On 8/16/2026 6:19 PM, Creon wrote:
> At Sun, 16 Aug 2026 21:48:27 GMT, Dude
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>>
>> "Doc Hammerslack" <[email protected]> posted:
>>
>>> At Sat, 15 Aug 2026 09:57:22 -0400, Noah Sombrero <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 15 Aug 2026 06:54:10 +0000, Creon <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> At Fri, 14 Aug 2026 20:00:49 -0700, Dude <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just tell the Truth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will someone, anyone, tell me the Truth? For God's sake. Just
>>>>>> spell out the whole goddamned absolute truth! Or, just keep on
>>>>>> lying. Lying to yourself! YMMV.
>>>>>
>>>>> "In the beginning was the Word..."[*]
>>>>>
>>>>> "Logos", thought by some pre-Socratic philosophers to mean
>>>>> "the divine order" -- that is to say, the Laws of Nature.[***]
>>>>>
>>>>> [*] Literally, "Logos"[**]
>>>>>
>>>>> [**] An idea that had been around longer that 500 years before
>>>>> the author of the fourth gospel tried to claim Jesus was its
>>>>> personification.
>>>>>
>>>>> [***] A close reading of _A Brief History of Time_ will find
>>>>> Dr. Hawking appears to agree.
>>>>>
>>>>> ...Um, wait -- were you talking about "truth" or "TRVTH"?
>>>>
>>>> Only a LIAR asks what is TRVTH? - Pilate.
>>>
>>> I constructed that whole post, and _that's_ what you
>>> came out with on the other end? smdh.
>>>
>>> Some of us (TINU), for whom the "truth" has become synonymous with
>>> "TRVTH", have learned to *survive* by pulling the wool over our
>>> _own_ eyes.
>>>
>>> All we can do is try to leverage what time we have left, to try
>>> to make the world a better place.
>>>
>>> (And here it is, almost 2 in the morning, and I'm taking the
>>> time to explain that.  For more fun, I joust windmills.)
>>>
>> It should go without saying, that the absolute truth can't be put
>> into words.
>>
>> Having said that, there are actually two truths: there is relative
>> truth and there is absolute truth.
>>
>> Just saying.
>>
>> Since 1993, thousands have come here to get enlightened. Never
>> underestimate the power of very short spans of time. In a flash of
>> insight, you could be new all through. It could happen to you.
> 
> You know just as well as I do that there are different types
> of "enlightenment".
>
Enlightenment. If you can't get it here, you will probably never get it. 
YMMV.

"If you can't see where you are sitting you will never see." - Basho
 >

> Kensho is one.  I don't think people come here for that -- or do they?
> (Beats me.)
>
Enlightenment can be sudden or gradual, or not at all. Thousands have 
come here and got enlightened, and left after getting enlightened to 
spread the word:

"Religion. Not religion. Both. Neither."
 >

> We talked about this at our UU men's alpha group recently, where
> the topic of discussion rolled around to people who self-report
> certain things, such as "I am enlightened" or "I am not conscious."
> 
> (Personally, I think if someone reports themself as "not conscious",
> you should believe them, and take it as an opportunity to really
> talk with them about what it means to be a verifiable "philosophical
> zombie".)
> 
> One of the guys, a wise old sage, said, "Alright, you've found
> me out -- I am 'enlightened'.  Prove me wrong."  Later he also
> revealed he was a space alien sent to Earth to study our species.
> Then he let on that he was kidding about the latter, and that he
> was thinking of starting a blog with that premise.
> 
> Oh, and finally:  "dart200", you could have your own blog for
> the low, low price of $5/mo at Digital Ocean.  (Of course, if it
> gets popular, you'll need a bigger vps than the starter kit...)
>