Re: New Car Reviews

On 8/19/2026 3:38 PM, dart200 wrote:
> On 8/19/26 2:01 PM, Wilson wrote:
>> On 8/19/2026 4:33 PM, Tara wrote:
>>> On Aug 19, 2026 at 4:31:16 PM EDT, "Tara" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Aug 19, 2026 at 4:12:29 PM EDT, "Julian" <[email protected]> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 19/08/2026 20:56, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/19/2026 3:32 PM, Julian wrote:
>>>>>>> On 19/08/2026 19:46, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/19/2026 11:31 AM, Julian wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 19/08/2026 16:04, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/18/2026 8:02 PM, Dude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/17/2026 8:43 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/17/26 7:56 PM, Dude wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "We planned on a year of bare-bones motoring. These features
>>>>>>>>>>>>> make us feel like we're cheating." - Aaron Gold, Aug 17, 2026
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Motor Trend:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Five—No, Six—Sorry, Eight—Features I Didn't Expect in Our
>>>>>>>>>>>>> $25,000 Kia K4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/2mmsamkj
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> most of those are software feature that cost zero to replicate
>>>>>>>>>>>> once implemented. the fact they aren't standard across all new
>>>>>>>>>>>> cars is kind of a market failure imo
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You forgot to mention the Kia warranty:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Powertrain Warranty: 10 years or 100,000 miles for engine,
>>>>>>>>>>> transmission, and drive parts.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Basic Warranty: 5 years or 60,000 miles for most other vehicle
>>>>>>>>>>> parts (bumper-to-bumper).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Anti-Perforation Warranty: 5 years or 100,000 miles for rust 
>>>>>>>>>>> hole
>>>>>>>>>>> damage on body sheet metal.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Roadside Assistance: 5 years or 60,000 miles for 24/7 help like
>>>>>>>>>>> towing or flat tires.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They need those because they have a deservedly bad reputation for
>>>>>>>>>> reliability.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Certainly a decade and more ago and until five years ago
>>>>>>>>> easily stolen but, at least in Europe, they are well above
>>>>>>>>> average, in the top 10, for reliability.
>>>>>>>>> https://www.whatcar.com/news/are-kia-cars-reliable-most-and-least-
>>>>>>>>> reliable-models-revealed/n27619
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I might be behind the times in my negative attitude towards the 
>>>>>>>> Koreans.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Kia (and sister brand Hyundai) transformed from lower-tier
>>>>>>>> reliability in the early 2010s through major quality investments,
>>>>>>>> platform sharing, and engineering improvements. Recent models are
>>>>>>>> generally viewed as dependable daily drivers with competitive build
>>>>>>>> quality.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Made in Korea" signified "Cheap imitation" until the 1980's which
>>>>>>> fixed the post war economy and facilitated big national investment
>>>>>>> in the likes of Samsung, Hyundai, LG and Daewoo. By 2000 they were
>>>>>>> becoming among the elite in advanced heavy, shipbuilding etc., and
>>>>>>> electrical/onic engineering.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's one thing they are not very good at making and that is
>>>>>>> people...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> According to United Nations and demographic projections, South 
>>>>>>> Korea's
>>>>>>> total fertility rate is expected to slowly rebound from its historic
>>>>>>> lows to approximately 1.0 child per woman by 2050, remaining well
>>>>>>> below the 2.1 replacement level needed for a stable population
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That country is going to go extinct unless they change that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, and they know it. In 2024 the rate was the global lowest.
>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-68402139
>>>>
>>>> Why is the population decline upsetting to many people (other than 
>>>> to those
>>>> who don't want more kids).
>>>> Honestly, I don't understand and would like to.
>>>
>>> Is it for purely monetary reasons?
>>
>> I think a big part of it is economics. I've shared what some believe, 
>> that a declining population will result in widespread dislocation. Not 
>> having enough people to keep the lights on and the farms running sort 
>> of thing. Hoping they're wrong about that. Unless something big 
>> changes it looks like it's gonna happen around the world.
>>
> 
> a large portion of the workforce are doing things that are completely 
> non-essential to the actual running of our economy. the popular estimate 
> by the late david greaber is ~50%. i personally think that's much 
> higher. nvm all the advanced automation we've barely begun deploying.
> 
> we'll be fine with population decline, especially if we decide we want 
> to willfully cooperate instead of suffer thru the inefficiencies of 
> endlessly antagonistic competition.
> 
Nobody gives a shit about the demographics in South Korea when buying a 
new car. Get serious!

Obviously, nobody on this list even belongs to a car club.

What about the Kia warranty?