Re: last minute sabatoge of trade talkes

On Aug 22, 2026 at 12:44:35 PM EDT, "Noah Sombrero" <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 16:29:35 -0000 (UTC), Tara <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> 
>> On Aug 22, 2026 at 12:16:31?PM EDT, "Noah Sombrero" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 15:43:20 -0000 (UTC), Tara <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 22, 2026 at 11:33:12?AM EDT, "Noah Sombrero" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 15:09:05 -0000 (UTC), Tara <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2026 at 10:59:55?AM EDT, "Noah Sombrero" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2026 15:51:21 +0100, Julian <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 22/08/2026 14:39, Tara wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Tara <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> For any Americans here who may be interested, we pretty well had a trade
>>>>>>>>>> DEAL until just before the deadline last night when the Americans came in
>>>>>>>>>> with more demands - unrealistic demands that Canada could not accept.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> We are retaliating - dollar for dollar.
>>>>>>>>>> 50% tariffs now. Both ways.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> To all the Americans who voted for this President and his administration  -
>>>>>>>>> and continue to support him - i hope there is a hell and you rot in it.
>>>>>>>> Chill, he's nearly done and hoping for something better is
>>>>>>>> thinking most wishful. After a few years of your neighbour
>>>>>>>> being run by the DSA you'll probably miss the loon.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yeh, not everybody agrees with your politics julian, as I need to
>>>>>>> remind wilson from time to time as well.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You buddy Bill Maher agrees with Julian's view. How could that be, eh?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I suspect that Bill meant it as constructive criticism as most of his
>>>>> criticisms of the dems are.  He donated a million dollars to the
>>>>> biden/himbo election.  Still, at that time, he was getting  dems on
>>>>> his program and asking them, why don't they get tough like the r's,
>>>>> why is it that the dems are so roundly hated in many parts of the
>>>>> country?
>>>>> 
>>>>> The most honest answer I heard was, if we do what they do, we become
>>>>> like them.  I understand.  Principles matter.  What to do when so many
>>>>> americans no longer care for principles?  When they actually cheer for
>>>>> the asshole?
>>>>> 
>>>>> But, as I told wilson a few days ago, the continued nomination of DSA
>>>>> candidates around the country, even in areas thought solidly
>>>>> conservative, portends something.  It might even be that attitudes are
>>>>> changing.  Maybe.  Watch out.
>>>> 
>>>> When Maher supported the dems then, they were different than they are now.
>>>> Like he says, parties change. Right now, he's just warning about what he sees,
>>>> (the DSA) in the U.S.A. and he's scrared shitless about it. DSA - The Trump
>>>> backlash, two sides of the same coin
>>>> - equally crazy.
>>>> 
>>>> check it out why don't you.
>>> 
>>> I heard what he said.  If he is scared shitless about anything, it
>>> would be that DSA candidates would spoil the dem's chances to getting
>>> control of congress in nov.  There is some risk of that, I think.  So
>>> thanks bill for doing your best to head off that possibility.  I know
>>> your heart is in the right place.
>>> 
>>> In the past, bill has said that comedy goes where the funny is, and
>>> usually the r's have had most of his attention.  Lately the dems have
>>> been deserving as well.
>>> 
>>> I would say, that the last thing the dems need right now is to be
>>> split ideologically.  Fercrissake.
>>> 
>>> Specifically, in that monologue, he said, "some of you guys are
>>> saying, bill you have become a republican.  That is not what I said. I
>>> said my vote is in play."  So he is reminding dems that they still
>>> need to get smart.
>>> 
>>> Notice the different tone in this:
>>> 
>>> "After a few years of your neighbour being run by the DSA you'll
>>> probably miss the loon."
>> 
>> He's not saying that it's inevitable. He's saying that if this happens, it may
>> seem worse than what we have to deal with now.
>> He's saying that it looks like it's going that way now. It's a speculation.
>> And a suggestion/prediction of an outcome.
>>> 
>>> Contempt, which is julian's stock in trade.  Always contempt if
>>> nothing else.
>> 
>> You read it that way
> Yes, your phrasing is generous.

No, I'm not trying to (as if I would have that right or understanding), speak
for him. It's just how I read his intent which is different than you're
interpretation. 

But, what the hell, nobody understands anybody anyway. And one should not
trust that one does.

>  His is not.  So I read it that way.

carry on

I'm tired of this whole thing.