Re: on why are you a bunch of racist pricks?

On Mon, 24 Aug 2026 13:05:02 -0400, Wilson <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 8/23/2026 2:00 PM, Julian wrote:
>> On 23/08/2026 18:43, Wilson wrote:
>>> On 8/23/2026 11:55 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 23 Aug 2026 16:37:21 +0100, Julian <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Concerning the long leftist tradition of disposable peasants....
>>>>>
>>>>> "The deadliest man-made and politically driven famines in history were
>>>>> caused by extreme state policies, forced collectivization, and
>>>>> intentional food requisitioning.
>>>>>
>>>>> The largest include the Great Chinese Famine (1959–1961) with 15 to 55
>>>>> million deaths, and the Soviet Holodomor (1932–1933) which killed 
>>>>> millions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Major Man-Made and State-Induced Famines
>>>>
>>>> It is odd to me that you blame the systems and not the dictators who
>>>> ran them.  But that coincidence of their pairing is often used to
>>>> bolster rightie thinking.  As if the system made them tyrants instead
>>>> of the tyrants ruining the system.
>>>
>>> The system not only allowed, it encouraged the tyrants.
>>>
>>> "If the intellectuals in the plays of Chekhov who spent all their time 
>>> guessing what would happen in twenty, thirty, or forty years had been 
>>> told that in forty years interrogation by torture would be practiced 
>>> in Russia; that prisoners would have their skulls squeezed within iron 
>>> rings; that a human being would be lowered into an acid bath; that 
>>> they would be trussed up naked to be bitten by ants and bedbugs; that 
>>> a ramrod heated over a primus stove would be thrust up their anal 
>>> canal (the “secret brand”); that a man’s genitals would be slowly 
>>> crushed beneath the toe of a jackboot; and that, in the luckiest 
>>> possible circumstances, prisoners would be tortured by being kept from 
>>> sleeping for a week, by thirst, and by being beaten to a bloody pulp, 
>>> not one of Chekhov’s plays would have gotten to its end because all 
>>> the heroes would have gone off to insane asylums.
>>>
>>> Yes, not only Chekhov’s heroes, but what normal Russian at the 
>>> beginning of the century, including any member of the Russian Social 
>>> Democratic Workers’ Party, could have believed, would have tolerated, 
>>> such a slander against the bright future? What had been acceptable 
>>> under Tsar Aleksei Mikhailovich in the seventeenth century, what had 
>>> already been regarded as barbarism under Peter the Great, what might 
>>> have been used against ten or twenty people in all during the time of 
>>> Biron in the mid- eighteenth century, what had already become totally 
>>> impossible under Catherine the Great, was all being practiced during 
>>> the flowering of the glorious twentieth century — in a society based 
>>> on socialist principles, and at a time when airplanes were flying and 
>>> the radio and talking films had already appeared — not by one 
>>> scoundrel alone in one secret place only, but by tens of thousands of 
>>> specially trained human beasts standing over millions of defenseless 
>>> victims."
>>>
>>> The Gulag Archipelago
>>>
>>> https://x.com/AI_Solzhenitsyn/status/2091503798195724672
>> 
>> There'll always be some who insist the ideology is infallible
>> and it's just a simple matter of correct implementation that
>> has, conveniently, finally emerged and is in their possession.
>
>Repeatedly, that's been the case.

Repeatedly the case has been crummy implementers.  

>"... how is it that the tendencies of the organizers of humanity are 
>always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also 
>belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are 
>made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind?
>- Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

Thanks for making my point.  How is it that the tendencies ...are
always good.

In fact they are almost always not good.  And if intent of organizers
might actually be good, then the intent of subsequent generations of
leaders is almost guaranteed to not be good.  What is good for society
becomes what is good for generating wealth and power.  Eventually, in
all cases.  Not because there are no decent people with good
intentions, but because there are so few.

Dictatorships have a fatal weakness in that a benevolent dictator
needs to be followed by another benevolent dictator when the first one
gets older, but finding one of those is excruciatingly difficult if
even considered.

Democracy half way solves this by limiting time in office and
accepting whomever the polity votes for as the next leader.  What that
in essence means that, exactly like for dictator succession, finding a
new benevolent leader is too difficult and so the attempt is
abandoned.
-- 
Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
Don't get political with me young man
or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
<<<talk>>> to <<<YOOooooo>>>
Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
dares: Ned
does not dare: Julian  shrinks in horror and warns others away