Re: The Debt Trap
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On 8/15/2026 2:55 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote: > On Sat, 15 Aug 2026 13:34:32 -0400, Wilson <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> We're caught in a trap >> I can't walk out >> Because I love you too much, baby >> Why can't you see >> What you're doing to me >> When you don't believe a word I say? >> -Suspicious Minds, Elvis Presley, 1969 >> >> Elvis Presley’s rendition of Suspicious Minds topped the record charts >> in 1969. The lyrics portray a romance that couldn’t work, but was also >> impossible to escape. That’s also a good way to describe our >> relationship with government debt. We know it can’t last, but we can’t >> walk out. We love government spending and its benefits (like Medicare, >> Social Security, and unemployment insurance) too much. > Top Post Alert! > The attempt is to say that the finances of a nation are not different > from the finances of an individual. Simplistic answers are best > because we can at least understand them. It is not necessary for them > to be correct, but let us escape when we can't comprehend a solution > to the problems we face. And a good old elvis song will make us feel > better every time. > We are caught in a money trap because we can't walk away from government spending because we love it so much. Spending on what? This is the plain reality: Over 47% of US government spending is on some form of welfare. Only 8% is on defense. This must be reversed. Otherwise we will go the way of Rome. YMMV. > >> In other words, we are in a debt trap. Our political process can’t >> reduce spending and/or raise taxes enough to balance the budget, so the >> debt grows and grows. As it does, paying the interest plus the >> accumulated debt load pulls more capital away from more productive uses. >> This depresses economic growth, thereby generating even more spending >> and debt. >> >> This has to end, and I think it will do so in the event I’ve called The >> Great Reset. When I first started talking about The Great Reset, we >> weren’t in the debt trap. We were “merely” in a situation with only bad >> choices. I didn’t think we would make them. Thus the underlying >> presumption was that we would end up in a debt trap. >> >> The Great Reset will be our escape from the debt trap. It won’t be fun >> for anyone, as taxes will go up and government spending of all types cut. >> >> Diverted Capital >> >> Each additional dollar of debt in 1980 generated a rise in GDP of 60 >> cents, up from 54 cents in 1940. The 1980s was the last decade for the >> productivity of debt to rise. Since then, this ratio has dropped >> sharply, from 42 cents in 1989 to 27 cents in 2019. >> >> Let’s unpack this. Debt, even government debt, isn’t necessarily bad. It >> can actually be positive depending on how it is used. Borrowing to build >> a productive asset can make sense, if its output is sufficient to repay >> the debt and then produce even more. >> >> Like many temptations, debt can be good in moderation but destructive if >> abused. Some infrastructure spending doesn’t have a direct payoff, but >> clearly helps the overall economy, like the US interstate highway system. >> >> Let me offer a few illustrations. It seems that every congressional >> representative gives lip service to the concept of “infrastructure >> spending.” And they never really get around to doing it in any >> sufficient quantity. Airports are necessary infrastructure and are >> typically paid for by landing fees. That’s productive debt. >> >> I have read that much of the US loses up to 20% of the water our water >> systems produce due to leaky pipes. To rebuild the national water system >> would take hundreds of billions if not over $1 trillion. Congress can >> easily allow the formation of a public-private partnership and guarantee >> the bonds so the Federal Reserve could buy them. Cities could access >> those bonds and raise the cost of water by 1% or so to pay for the >> bonds. Consumer water bills should still drop since we would be saving >> the lost water. >> >> Everyone knows this. Congress does nothing. The same could be done with >> electric power. A smart grid could pay for itself even with debt costs. >> And consumer power prices would likely go down. I could go on and on. >> >> But the debt we are accumulating today is not productive in that way. We >> use it to finance current expenditures like Medicare and Social >> Security. Necessary? Absolutely. But not the economic definition of >> productive debt. >> >> Problems arise when debt becomes excessive, relative to the output it >> will produce. The cost of repaying it diverts capital from other uses, >> leaving less capital available for productive investment. You start >> needing more debt to generate the same amount of production. Or, said >> another way, each additional dollar of debt produces less benefit. >> >> Debt service comes from taxation and even more borrowing (which is the >> definition of a Ponzi scheme), which leaves businesses and families with >> less money to spend on other things. This results in lower economic >> growth, more inflation, and higher interest rates. >> >> Why is it a trap? Here’s where I have to get political. >> >> Fiscal Futility >> >> To those on the conservative side, the problem is simple. We have >> excessively high taxes and debt because the government spends too much. >> >> That’s easy to say but gets a lot more difficult when you talk specifics >> — particularly if you are a member of Congress who must answer to >> voters. Exactly which government spending would you like to cut? What >> programs, departments, and agencies would you eliminate? Every dollar >> the government spends has a constituency — people who benefit from it >> and will fight to preserve it. >> >> Large amounts of spending are essentially on autopilot: Social Security, >> Medicare, assorted social programs, interest on the debt. These >> “mandatory” expenditures happen automatically, no matter the amounts, >> without Congress acting at all. The simple fact is that this mandatory >> spending plus defense spending is now consuming all tax revenue before >> any other government services are paid for on the federal level. >> >> The so-called “discretionary” budget that Congress votes on (defense and >> all the assorted departments and agencies) is relatively minor. You >> could cut it all in half and we would still have a serious problem. >> >> When Trump first entered office the US deficit as percentage of GDP was >> less than 5%. That pandemic-year deficit peaked at 16% of GDP, or $3.1 >> trillion. Fast-forward to today: the FY2025 deficit came in at $1.8 >> trillion — 5.9% of GDP, well below the pandemic peak but still about 55% >> above the 50-year historical average of 3.8% of GDP. And it’s headed the >> wrong way again. The CBO’s latest FY2026 estimate is $2.1 trillion, up >>from $1.9 trillion projected back in February, after the Supreme Court >> struck down the IEEPA tariffs in February 2026 and blew a roughly $200 >> billion hole in expected tariff revenue. Whoever is in the White House, >> the deficit keeps landing in roughly the same trap. >> >> Sad to say, government spending just keeps growing no matter which party >> is in power. We have crossed a form of political Rubicon where past >> performance is not indicative of future results. The few serious fiscal >> conservatives are now gone after finding the Republican Party under >> Trump spends differently than Democrats would, but has no desire to >> spend less. >> >> And that’s the real problem: Voters like all this spending. They differ >> on priorities, but no one really wants to balance the budget. There is >> no desire to make the sacrifices and endure the pain it would take to >> change the course we are on. So, it won’t change, and debt will keep >> piling up. >> >> Jaws of the Trap >> >> Debt, as I have said many times, is future consumption pulled forward in >> time. It lets us consume more today by consuming less in the future. >> There is a school of thought which says this doesn’t matter because we >> can always just keep pushing the due date further out. I disagree, and >> Lacy Hunt’s research explains why. >> >> While debt can be a problem, private debt is also critical to economic >> growth. It finances innovation and adds to the economy’s productive >> capacity. Excessive government debt diverts resources away from >> investment, without which growth slows to a crawl. Lacy proves this >> mathematically but really, all you have to do is look at GDP growth >> around the world since 2008. Europe, Japan, and the US have all >> struggled to maintain positive growth. It was only a matter of time >> until something pushed us all underwater. The pandemic did it. By 2026 >> it’s a different pressure doing the pushing — elevated-for-longer >> interest costs and a wall of AI-driven capital spending are testing the >> same limit from the other direction. >> >> All that being said, this can continue far longer than most people >> think. Japan is now at 248.7% (2025) of debt to GDP. Eurozone debt is >> about 87.8% (2025), but that understates the true situation in most >> countries. The US, on the same gross-debt basis, was at 122.6% in early >> 2026. Europe and Japan both have low or nonexistent GDP growth. The >> explosion of US debt means the US will soon join them. The answer from >> almost every economist of any stripe about how to fix the debt problem >> is to “grow our way out of it.” The problem is we have passed the point >> of no return. >> >> We can’t stop growing debt. That would bring down the system in a true >> greater-than-the-Great Depression crash. What do you cut? Social >> Security? Medicare? Military pensions? Education? Interest payments on >> the debt? The State Department? The only way to maintain that spending >> is to keep adding debt, which sends us further into the debt trap. >> >> Anomalies in Paradise >> >> At some point, this will simply stop working. That moment is when the >> world will face what I first called The Great Reset over a decade ago. I >> am often asked exactly when it will happen. I typically demur as taking >> a date is tricky. But I think we can narrow it down. >> >> Right now, the Social Security Administration says that Social Security >> will have to be cut by roughly 22% at some point in 2033. 10 years ago >> they said 2034. Without some major changes in the economy, that will >> probably slip to 2032. It will be an election year and that will become >> the major topic. >> >> We are now at $39.9 trillion of US [federal] debt. Interest on the debt >> is $1.1 trillion, at an interest rate of a little under 3%. That rate is >> obviously rising. Deficits are climbing over $2 trillion per year. By >> 2031, the debt will be over $50 trillion. Interest costs will run >> anywhere from an optimistically estimated low of $1.5 trillion to over >> $2 trillion. That’s assuming no recession. >> >> We are not going to cut Social Security for the vast majority of >> recipients. The compromise will likely be some combination of raising >> the age of benefits, means testing and increasing Social Security taxes. >> But that doesn’t solve the rest of the deficit problem. Somewhere around >> that time the bond markets will finally say, “Enough, already!” Congress >> will be forced by markets to act. >> >> Spoiler alert: We will need to completely revamp our tax code, with a >> greater percentage of GDP going to taxes than any of us want. But we’ll >> have to collect it differently and not destroy incentives as Europe and >> Japan have done. Sadly, I don’t expect a willingness to do that, at >> least political willingness, until we are already in the middle of a >> deep crisis. The bad news is we will get one and maybe change some things. >> >> We built our dreams on excessive debt. Now we can’t go on together. >> We’re caught in a trap. We can’t walk out. >> >> https://www.mauldineconomics.com/frontlinethoughts/caught-in-a-debt-trap