Re: Federal Prisons Are Beginning to Force Trans Inmates Off Hormone Therapy

On 5/25/26 11:36 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>>
>> On May 25, 2026 at 8:39:45 AM MST, "zendejo" wrote
>> <[email protected]>:
>>
>>> On 5/24/26 9:30 PM, Brock McNuggets wrote:
>>>> On May 24, 2026 at 6:53:51 PM MST, ""Joel W. Crump"" wrote
>>>> <[email protected]>:
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> It is anti-American to violently side with the right wing.
>>>>
>>>> I wish I could agree -- but the treatment of Natives, the KKK, one drop racial
>>>> rules, slavery, Jim Crow, internment camps, etc. The Nazis got many of their
>>>> ideas from America. This is an eye opening read:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-American-Model-United-States/dp/0691172420
>>>>
>>>> Or an online source:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.history.com/articles/how-the-nazis-were-inspired-by-jim-crow?utm_source=chatgpt.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It ought not be lost that Henry Ford's famed River Rouge assembly line
>>> was the model Hitler adopted for the KDF/Volkswagen.
>>
>> True. Though using his tech / ideas does not necessarily mean they were
>> aligned. But they WERE aligned.
> 
> Prove it then.

Who wasn't interested Hitler at the start?

Prescott Bush, Henry Ford, Carnegie, the Pope...etc...

But it was all about bidnits, not eugenics.

what Hitler drew on from these interactions was his own corrupted ideation.

AI Overview
Several American business executives met with Adolf Hitler during the 
1930s and early 1940s as corporate leaders sought to protect their 
investments and navigate the rising Nazi regime. Notable tycoons who 
held direct meetings include:Sosthenes Behn: The founder and president 
of International Telephone and Telegraph (ITT), Behn met with Hitler in 
August 1933. The meeting marked the beginning of a close financial and 
industrial relationship between ITT and the Third Reich.James D. Mooney: 
The head of General Motors' overseas operations met directly with Hitler 
in March 1940. The meeting was part of an effort to discuss business 
involving GM’s German subsidiary, Opel, and to serve as an unofficial 
envoy to understand German peace goals.Henry Ford: While the automaker 
famously never met Hitler in person, Ford was a massive ideological 
inspiration for the Nazi leader. Hitler kept Ford’s portrait in his 
Munich office and praised his anti-Semitic writings in Mein Kampf
>>>
>>> However, the borrowed off a far more sinister portion of our history -
>>> institutionalized eugenics:
>>>
>>> https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2757926/
>>>
>>>
>>> To understand why eugenics became a serious scientific movement in the
>>> 1920s, it is useful to look back 20 years earlier. In 1902, Charles B.
>>> Davenport, then a Professor of Zoology at the University of Chicago,
>>> approached the Carnegie Institution with a request for $45,000 to create
>>> a ?Biological Experiment Station for the study of evolution? on the Cold
>>> Spring Harbor Campus.4 His aim would be the ?analytic and experimental
>>> study of the causes of specific differentiation?of race change.? He
>>> proposed to accomplish this ?by the cross breeding of animals and plants
>>> to find the laws of commingling of qualities ? the study of the laws and
>>> limits of inheritance.?4 Within this brief two-page proposal, Davenport
>>> commingles the scientific genetic approach that dated back to Mendel
>>> with his personal fascination with the perceived human racial
>>> differences of his day.
>>>
>>> Within 5 years the Experimental Evolution Department had established
>>> over 100 animal stocks that included 20 mammals and dozens of insects
>>> (including crickets and Drosophila), and over 400 flowering plants.5 It
>>> took until 1910 for Davenport to begin studies on human inheritance with
>>> the creation of the Eugenics Record Office. Financial support came from
>>> Mrs. E.H. Harriman (a wealthy philanthropist), John Harvey Kellogg (the
>>> breakfast cereal magnate), and the American Breeders' Association. This
>>> association was the first membership-based group whose mission included
>>> the promotion of eugenics research in the United States through a
>>> subcommittee chaired by ichthyologist and Stanford University President
>>> David Starr Jordan.6,7 By 1918, H.H. Laughlin was hired as the
>>> superintendent of the Eugenics Records Office, which transitioned from a
>>> freestanding, self-supporting endeavor to a sub-department of the
>>> Experimental Evolution Department under the control of the Carnegie
>>> Institution.8 Davenport conceived of this office to mainly ?serve
>>> eugenical interests in the capacity of repository and clearing house?
>>> and to ?provide data adequate to making eugenical studies.?8 Their
>>> method was to collect family histories from ?better families? and
>>> ?subnormal families? based upon methods previously described by Galton.
>>>
>>> By the 1920s, three major efforts pushed the eugenic agenda in the
>>> United States and subsequently throughout Europe: (1) The Eugenics
>>> Research Association with Laughlin and Davenport as leaders and in
>>> affiliation with the American Association of the Advancement of Science
>>> (AAAS). (2) The American Eugenics Society founded by Laughlin, Harry
>>> Crampton, Madison Grant, and Henry Fairfield Osborn with the purpose of
>>> promoting the eugenical movement at both the scientific and popular
>>> level. (3) The Eugenics Records Office, directed by Davenport and run by
>>> Laughlin with the express purpose of providing the scientific data to
>>> support the eugenics movement.
>>>
>>> A concerted effort of this magnitude with the expressed support of the
>>> mainstream scientific establishment (e.g., AAAS as operator of the
>>> journal Science; the American Breeders' Association, which later became
>>> the American Genetics Association; and the Carnegie Institution) had an
>>> effect throughout both the scientific and governmental establishments
>>> worldwide. Specifically, by 1936 when both England and the U.S. genetic
>>> scientific communities finally condemned eugenical sterilization, over
>>> 60,000 forced sterilizations were already performed in the United States
>>> on mostly poor (and often African-American) people confined to mental
>>> hospitals.9,10 The practice of forced sterilizations for the ?unfit? was
>>> almost unanimously supported by eugenicists. The American Eugenics
>>> Society had hoped, in time, to sterilize one-tenth of the U.S.
>>> population, or millions of Americans.11
>>>
>>> Laughlin's publication of Eugenical Sterilization in the United States
>>> in 1922 included the drafting of a ?model law? for compulsory
>>> sterilization that was the bedrock of forced sterilization programs
>>> throughout the country. According to Davenport, Laughlin's ?book on
>>> sterilization is recognized as the standard.?12 In 1930, Laughlin
>>> comments about the U.S. Supreme Court upholding a Virginia sterilization
>>> statute as, ?the establishment of the eugenical authority of the
>>> state ? [enabling] the prevention of hereditary degeneration by a method
>>> sound from the legal, eugenical and humanitarian points of view. ? It is
>>> now possible for any state, if it desires to do so, to enact a
>>> sterilization statute.?12 A typical study prepared by Laughlin and used
>>> to justify these laws is excerpted below:
>>>
>>> The Problem of the Feeble-Minded in Connecticut ? the 11,962
>>> feeble-minded persons?the total number who came under the purview of the
>>> Survey?have been studied individually in reference to nine subject as
>>> follows: (1) sex, (2) age, (3) recidivism, (4) diagnostic class, (5)
>>> intelligence quotient, (6) race descent, (7) nativity, (8) citizenship,
>>> (9) kin in institutions. ? At the present rate every inhabitant of
>>> Connecticut is expending ? 5 and 1/3 as many dollars on the socially
>>> inadequate and the individually handicapped as the average inhabitant
>>> was spending for the same purpose 20 years ago.13
>>>
>>> Davenport's eugenical research is very typical of countless studies
>>> purporting to link perceived human differences to the burgeoning field
>>> of Genetics. This work is best appreciated by quoting the author directly:
>>>
>>> Successful naval officers are of various types. ? The three commonist
>>> traits are: (1) love of sea; (2) capacity for fighting; (3) capacity for
>>> commanding or administering. ? The performance of a man depends in large
>>> degree upon his inherent, inheritable traits. ? The sea makes to
>>> different people varied appeal. ? The love of the sea, sea-lust or
>>> thalasssophilia is apparently a specific trait to be differentiated from
>>> wanderlust or love of adventure. ? One of the most striking
>>> characteristics of sea?lust is that it is wholly a male character ? so
>>> the appeal of the sea develops under the secretion of the germ gland in
>>> the boy. It is theoretically possible that some mothers are heterozygous
>>> for love of the sea, so that when married to a thalassophilic man half
>>> of their children will show sea-lust and half will not.14
>>>
>>> What is often not appreciated is that Nazi efforts were bolstered by the
>>> published works of the American eugenics movement as the intellectual
>>> underpinnings for its social policies. One of Hilter's first acts after
>>> gaining control of the German government was the passage of the Law for
>>> the Prevention of Hereditarily Diseased Offspring (Gesetz zur Verhütung
>>> erbkranken Nachwuchses) in July 1933.15 The Nazis, when proposing their
>>> own sterilization program, specifically noted the ?success of
>>> sterilization laws in California? documented most notably by the
>>> American eugenicist P.B. Popenoe.16 The Nazi program ultimately resulted
>>> in the sterilization of 360,000?375,000 persons.9 The intellectual
>>> linkage between the United States and Nazi eugenic programs is further
>>> illustrated by Davenport's presence on the editorial boards of two
>>> influential German racial hygiene journals, Zeitschrift für Rassenkunde
>>> und ihrer Nachbargebiete and the Zeitschrift für menschliche Vererbungs-
>>> und Konstitutionslehre.17 Sadly, with the benefit of 70 years hindsight,
>>> we can see the alignment of the stated goals of the Eugenics Records
>>> Office with Nazi social engineering programs as revealed by Davenport:
>>>
>>> To investigate the nature of those forces or agencies which improve or
>>> impair racial or family-stock qualities. These forces which act upon
>>> immigration, mate selection and fertility, differential by race and
>>> family-stock quality are those which have been given most attention. In
>>> the field of immigration, studies have been made in Europe and America
>>> on the selection of immigrants have played as recruits to the breeding
>>> stock of the American people. Many of these researches were conducted in
>>> collaboration with the Committee on Immigration and Naturalization of
>>> the House of Rep. and the Immigration Service of the U.S. Government.18
>>>
>>> It wasn't until 1935 that a review panel convened by the Carnegie
>>> Institution concluded that the Eugenics Research Office research did not
>>> have scientific merit, and subsequently withdrew funding in 1939.19 In
>>> examining this dark history of American science, it is equally important
>>> to appreciate that eugenics was but a small part the work of the Carnegie.
>>
>> A good read and an important part of history many in the US ignore.
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