Re: Calvin's stepson and daughter-in-law
ksr622002 <[email protected]> Mon, 7 Aug 2023 22:40:35 -0700 (PDT)
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On Friday, April 28, 2000 at 1:00:00 AM UTC-6, SJS wrote: > "David Anderson" <[email protected]> wrote... > > Greetings to all readers, > > And praise, glory, and honor to Jesus Christ, King of all things - > including > > the internet! > > According to Gene Edwards in "How to Meet Under the Headship of Jesus > Christ" > > (1993: Message Ministry) page 159, the two persons in the subject line > above > > were both drowned in Geneva as punishment for sexual sins. (Elsewhere in > the > > same book, I noticed great carelessness with certain historical data.) > > So, could someone please direct me to a source where this matter can > actually > > be documented? Much thanks. > Calvin was married to Idellette du Bure, who was a widow with two children. > After she passed away (1549), he took care of her children. His > step-daughter, Judith, confessed to and was convicted of committing adultery > in 1557. Calvin did not come out of his home for three days after her > confession because of his humiliation. > I can't say for certain what her sentence was. However, it appears that at > least some of Edwards' facts are in error, since it was his step daughter > who was convicted, not stepson (I suppose it's possible that Idellette's > other child was a son who was also convicted but I have never heard that). > Also see Schaff's comments on discipline in Geneva: > http://www.ccel.org/s/schaff/history/8_ch13.htm > ____Begin Quote____ > Excommunication should be exercised only against flagitious crimes which > disgrace the Christian profession; such as adultery, fornication, theft, > robbery, sedition, perjury, contempt of God and his authority. Nor should it > be exercised by the bishop or pastor alone, but by the body of elders, and, > as is pointed out by Paul, "with the knowledge and approbation of the > congregation; in such a manner, however, that the multitude of the people > may not direct the proceeding, but may watch over it as witnesses and > guardians, that nothing be done by a few persons from any improper motive." > Moreover, "the severity of the Church must be tempered by a spirit of > gentleness. For there is constant need of the greatest caution, according to > the injunction of Paul concerning a person who may have been censured, 'lest > by any means such a one should be swallowed up with his overmuch sorrow' (2 > Cor. 2:7); for thus a remedy would become a poison." > When the sinner gives reasonable evidence of repentance he is to be > restored. Calvin objects to "the excessive austerity of the ancients," who > refused to readmit the lapsed. He approves of the course of Cyprian, who > says: "Our patience and kindness and tenderness is ready for all who come; I > wish all to return into the Church; I wish all our fellow-soldiers to be > assembled in the camp of Christ, and all our brethren to be received into > the house of God our Father. I forgive everything; I conceal much. With > ready and sincere affection I embrace those who return with penitence." > Calvin adds: "Such as are expelled from the Church, it is not for us to > expunge from the number of the elect, or to despair of them as already lost. > It is proper to consider them as strangers to the Church, and consequently > to Christ, but this only as long as they remain in a state of exclusion. And > even then let us hope better things of them for the future, and not cease to > pray to God on their behalf. Let us not condemn to eternal death the > offender, nor prescribe laws to the mercy of God who can change the worst of > men into the best." He makes a distinction between excommunication and > anathema; the former censures and punishes with a view to reformation and > restoration; the latter precludes all pardon, and devotes a person to > eternal perdition. Anathema ought never to be resorted to, or at least very > rarely. Church members ought to exert all means in their power to promote > the reformation of an excommunicated person, and admonish him not as an > enemy, but as a brother (2 Cor. 2:8). "Unless this tenderness be observed by > the individual members as well as by the Church collectively, our discipline > will be in danger of speedily degenerating into cruelty." > ___End Quote___ > If the standard sentence for adultery was excommunication until repentance, > I find it hard to believe that Calvin's own step-daughter would be executed. > If she had committed adultery twice, however, in Geneva, I believe the > second offence would result in execution. However, my guess is that if his > stepdaughter was executed, she would receive nearly as much publicity as > Servetus and somebody here would know about it, but I suppose that's an > argument from silence. > God bless, > Scott She was not executed. Her and her lover were whipped and Her lover was exiled and she was later readmitted to communion 3 months later upon her repentance.