Re: The Bible Teaches Conscious Eternal Torment or Comfort, Not Annihilation
Kitten <kitten@localhost>
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On 06/08/2026 1:17 am, Christ Rose wrote: > • Jesus said, “Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot > kill the soul” (Matthew 10:28, ESV). This shows the soul > continues beyond the death of the body. > > • Jesus said it will be more tolerable on the day of judgment for > Sodom and Gomorrah than for the cities that rejected Him > (Matthew 10:15; 11:22-24). Degrees of tolerability require > conscious awareness. Nonexistence does not vary by degree. > > • Jesus also said of Judas, “It would have been better for that > man if he had not been born” (Mark 14:21, ESV). That cannot be > true if Judas simply ceased to exist. Nonexistence is not worse > than existence unless post-death punishment consciously occurs. > > • Paul said, “We would rather be away from the body and at home > with the Lord” (2 Corinthians 5:8, ESV). This means the > believer’s soul goes to be with Christ after death. > > • Jesus told of Lazarus who, after death, was comforted, while > the rich man was in torment and fully conscious to speak, > remember, reason, and feel regret and pain (Luke 16:22–25). > This clearly teaches that after a person dies, they remain > conscious in either a place of comfort or torment. Nowhere does > the Bible say this account in Luke is a "parable", or that > Jesus was speaking to them in "parables" when He taught about > it, as is the case when He spoke in parables (e.g. Mark 4). > Further, parables and symbols do not mean the exact opposite of > what they state. They convey truth that is consistent with the > meaning of the words they use. A parable that teaches people's > souls exist consciously in comfort or torment after physical > death cannot be construed to actually mean that after physical > death, the person "ceases to exist" and does "not experience > comfort or torment". Satan's Witnesses promote the lie that > "anything goes" if something is a parable or symbol, meaning > they can claim it means whatever they want it to. This is a LIE > and false, dangerous hermeneutic. > > • John wrote, “The smoke of their torment goes up forever and > ever, and they have no rest, day or night” (Revelation 14:11, > ESV). This cannot describe unconscious nonexistence. > > • Jesus said, “It is better for you to enter life crippled than > with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire” (Mark > 9:43, ESV). The fire is unquenchable, not momentary. An eternal > fire serves no purpose unless what it burns endures. > > • Revelation 20:10 says the devil, the beast, and the false > prophet “will be tormented day and night forever and ever.” It > does not say they will cease to exist. > > • Jesus said God is “not God of the dead, but of the living,” > referring to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Matthew 22:32, ESV), > affirming their conscious existence after death. > > • The thief on the cross was told, “Today you will be with me in > Paradise” (Luke 23:43, ESV). Jesus did not say “after > resurrection,” but “today,” showing conscious life after death. > > These passages all affirm conscious existence and consequences, either of comfort or judgment after physical death. The Bible nowhere teaches annihilation after physical death. > If you land in hell, you're forever screwed.