Re: The Bible Teaches Conscious Eternal Torment or Comfort, Not Annihilation

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Thu, 6 Aug 2026 09:08:49 +1000,
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  Kitten <kitten@localhost> wrote:
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> On 06/08/2026 1:17 am, Christ Rose wrote:
>>       • Jesus said, “Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot
>>         kill the soul” (Matthew 10:28, ESV). This shows the soul
>>         continues beyond the death of the body.
>>
>>       • Jesus said it will be more tolerable on the day of judgment for
>>         Sodom and Gomorrah than for the cities that rejected Him
>>         (Matthew 10:15; 11:22-24). Degrees of tolerability require
>>         conscious awareness. Nonexistence does not vary by degree.
>>
>>       • Jesus also said of Judas, “It would have been better for that
>>         man if he had not been born” (Mark 14:21, ESV). That cannot be
>>         true if Judas simply ceased to exist. Nonexistence is not worse
>>         than existence unless post-death punishment consciously occurs.
>>
>>       • Paul said, “We would rather be away from the body and at home
>>         with the Lord” (2 Corinthians 5:8, ESV). This means the
>>         believer’s soul goes to be with Christ after death.
>>
>>       • Jesus told of Lazarus who, after death, was comforted, while
>>         the rich man was in torment and fully conscious to speak,
>>         remember, reason, and feel regret and pain (Luke 16:22–25).
>>         This clearly teaches that after a person dies, they remain
>>         conscious in either a place of comfort or torment. Nowhere does
>>         the Bible say this account in Luke is a "parable", or that
>>         Jesus was speaking to them in "parables" when He taught about
>>         it, as is the case when He spoke in parables (e.g. Mark 4).
>>         Further, parables and symbols do not mean the exact opposite of
>>         what they state. They convey truth that is consistent with the
>>         meaning of the words they use. A parable that teaches people's
>>         souls exist consciously in comfort or torment after physical
>>         death cannot be construed to actually mean that after physical
>>         death, the person "ceases to exist" and does "not experience
>>         comfort or torment". Satan's Witnesses promote the lie that
>>         "anything goes" if something is a parable or symbol, meaning
>>         they can claim it means whatever they want it to. This is a LIE
>>         and false, dangerous hermeneutic.
>>
>>       • John wrote, “The smoke of their torment goes up forever and
>>         ever, and they have no rest, day or night” (Revelation 14:11,
>>         ESV). This cannot describe unconscious nonexistence.
>>
>>       • Jesus said, “It is better for you to enter life crippled than
>>         with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire” (Mark
>>         9:43, ESV). The fire is unquenchable, not momentary. An eternal
>>         fire serves no purpose unless what it burns endures.
>>
>>       • Revelation 20:10 says the devil, the beast, and the false
>>         prophet “will be tormented day and night forever and ever.” It
>>         does not say they will cease to exist.
>>
>>       • Jesus said God is “not God of the dead, but of the living,”
>>         referring to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Matthew 22:32, ESV),
>>         affirming their conscious existence after death.
>>
>>       • The thief on the cross was told, “Today you will be with me in
>>         Paradise” (Luke 23:43, ESV). Jesus did not say “after
>>         resurrection,” but “today,” showing conscious life after death.
>>
>> These passages all affirm conscious existence and consequences, either 
>> of comfort or judgment after physical death. The Bible nowhere teaches 
>> annihilation after physical death.
>>
> 
> If you land in hell, you're forever screwed.


Correct. However, faith in Christ delivers from the just eternal 
condemnation of the lake of fire.

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