Re: Psalm 7: EBTC Insights

Christ Rose <[email protected]>
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Tue, 18 Aug 2026 13:36:24 +0000,
  <[email protected]>
  Mitchell Holman <[email protected]> wrote:
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> Christ Rose <[email protected]> wrote in news:202513e5-58ce-426a-
> [email protected]:
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>> Mon, 17 Aug 2026 18:40:43 +0000,
>>    <[email protected]>
>>    Mitchell Holman <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>> Christ Rose <[email protected]> wrote in news:e43fac83-c60e-48d7-
>>> [email protected]:
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>>>> Mon, 17 Aug 2026 02:34:59 +0000,
>>>>     <[email protected]>
>>>>     Mitchell Holman <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>>>> Christ Rose <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>> news:[email protected]:
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>>>>>> Sat, 15 Aug 2026 15:36:11 GMT,
>>>>>>      <LH%[email protected]>
>>>>>>      marika <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>>>>>> Christ Rose <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>> David’s plea of innocence and assertion of contrasting
> destinies
>>>>>>>> between the righteous and wicked form the theological core of the
>>>>>>>> psalm’s middle section.[1] Significantly, God qualifies as a
>>>>>>>> righteous judge precisely because he penetrates beyond surface
>>>>>>>> appearances—he tests “hearts and kidneys,” knowing both
>>>>>>>> deliberate commitments and hidden visceral dispositions that
> people
>>>>>>>> conceal from one another.[1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wish I had this kind of optimism. I don’t live anywhere near
>>>>>>> Ukraine, it’s only august, and I’m already scared to death of
>>>>>>> seeing all the articles this winter about people- especially
> elderly
>>>>>>> and babies- being found frozen to death in their beds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When you rely on Christ's death and resurrection as the just
> payment
>>>>>> for our sins, you live forever with God in joy and peace, even
> after
>>>>>> you die physically. He promises to raise you from the dead in a
>>>>>> glorified body (1 Corinthians 15).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>        What about those millions who lived
>>>>> and died never hearing about Jesus.
>>>>>
>>>>>        Eternal damnation?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Romans 1 shows the justice of God in the condemnation of pagans who
>>> have
>>>> never heard about Jesus, because they reject and suppress the
> knowledge
>>>> of God that's evident to them in creation.
>>>>
>>>> They suppress that knowledge with deeds of unrighteousness, by
>>>> worshiping creation instead of God, etc. Since they did not wish to
>>>> retain the knowledge of God, He handed them over to their own
>>> corruption.
>>>>
>>>> Thus it is just for God to condemn pagans, even though they did not
>>> hear
>>>> about Christ. The implication seems to be that if they had not
> rejected
>>>> the knowledge of God in creation, He would have sent them the gospel.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       Ex post facto laws.
>>>
>>>       What you did was legal when you did it,
>>> later condemned, with no notice to you, so
>>> you are at fault for not obeying it.
>>>
>>>       Divine Justice, 101
>>
>>
>> Since God's power and divine nature are plainly visible through what He
>> created, people are held accountable because they actively suppress
> that
>> truth, not because they lacked notice.
> 
>   
>       Where does the Bible say that?


Romans 1

“For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness 
and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the 
truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has 
shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal 
power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the 
creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are 
without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as 
God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and 
their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became 
fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling 
mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.” (Romans 1:18–23, ESV)

> 
>>   It is therefore not an "ex post
>> facto" law.
>>


Instead of admit it is not "ex post facto", since they reject the 
knowledge of God evident in creation, you're now going to change the 
subject to set up a new standard of "justice".


>        Explain the "divine justice" of
> God killing the firstborn children in
> Egypt who never violated any of God's
> laws.


The implication of your statement is that people are born "innocent" and 
"deserving" of salvation. This is not the case:

Imputed Sin

Imputed sin centers on a direct legal transaction that occurred at the 
beginning of human history (Romans 5:12). In the Garden of Eden, Adam 
stood as the federal and covenant representative for the entire human 
race (Genesis 2:16-17, 1 Corinthians 15:22).

When Adam broke God's commandment, his one act of disobedience was 
judicially charged to the legal account of all humanity (Romans 5:19). 
As a result, the sentence of condemnation and death passed upon every 
person before they could commit individual sins (Romans 5:14, Romans 5:16).

This legal reckoning sets the foundation for understanding the gospel. 
Just as Adam's disobedience was credited to all in him, the perfect 
righteousness of Jesus Christ is credited to believers for their 
justification (Romans 5:17-18, 2 Corinthians 5:21).

Inherited Sin

Inherited sin addresses our internal moral condition, which is passed 
down from parents to children through natural generation (Genesis 5:3, 
Job 14:4). From the moment of conception, every human being possesses a 
corrupted nature that affects the mind, will, and affections (Psalm 
51:5, Jeremiah 17:9).

Rebellion is not merely learned; humans are born estranged from God, 
going astray and speaking lies from the womb (Psalm 58:3, Isaiah 48:8). 
 From childhood, the intentions and foolishness of the human heart turn 
naturally away from righteousness (Genesis 8:21, Proverbs 22:15).

Because of this condition, people enter the world spiritually dead and 
unable to submit to God or please Him on their own (Romans 8:7-8, 
Ephesians 2:1-3, 1 Corinthians 2:14). The personal transgressions we 
commit are the direct outward fruit of this internal corruption (Romans 
3:10-12, Mark 7:21-23, Galatians 5:19-21).

Judicial Sin

Judicial sin, or judicial confinement, refers to God's sovereign legal 
decree that has concluded all humanity under the universal guilt and 
power of sin (Galatians 3:22, Romans 11:32). Through the law, God has 
formally locked up every mouth, eliminating all claims to personal 
innocence or merit (Romans 3:19-20, Galatians 3:10).

This universal verdict strips away human boasting and places every 
individual on the exact same ground of utter need (Romans 3:23-24, 
Galatians 2:16).

By shutting all under sin, God prepared the way for the promise of 
salvation to be received purely by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, 
extending His mercy to everyone who believes (Galatians 3:22, Romans 
3:21-22, Romans 11:32).

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Good News †

By dying on the cross, Christ canceled the legal debt of our sins 
against God (Colossians 2:14), and God validated this victory by raising 
Him from the grave (Romans 1:4). God is now able to justly declare 
sinners righteous (Romans 3:26) and spare them from His future wrath (1 
Thessalonians 1:10). This grace is freely given to all who place their 
trust in Him (Romans 6:23). Put your faith in the Lord and call on His 
name to be saved (Romans 10:9-13):

How to be saved: christrose.news/salvation
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