Re: Psalm 7: EBTC Insights

Christ Rose <[email protected]> wrote in
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> Tue, 18 Aug 2026 13:36:24 +0000,
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>   Mitchell Holman <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> Christ Rose <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:202513e5-58ce-426a- [email protected]:
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>>> Mon, 17 Aug 2026 18:40:43 +0000,
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>>>    Mitchell Holman <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>>> Christ Rose <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>> news:e43fac83-c60e-48d7- [email protected]:
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>>>>> Mon, 17 Aug 2026 02:34:59 +0000,
>>>>>     <[email protected]>
>>>>>     Mitchell Holman <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>>>>> Christ Rose <[email protected]> wrote in
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>>>>>>> Sat, 15 Aug 2026 15:36:11 GMT,
>>>>>>>      <LH%[email protected]>
>>>>>>>      marika <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>>>>>>> Christ Rose <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> David’s plea of innocence and assertion of contrasting
>> destinies
>>>>>>>>> between the righteous and wicked form the theological core of
>>>>>>>>> the psalm’s middle section.[1] Significantly, God qualifies
>>>>>>>>> as a righteous judge precisely because he penetrates beyond
>>>>>>>>> surface appearances—he tests “hearts and kidneys,”
>>>>>>>>> knowing both deliberate commitments and hidden visceral
>>>>>>>>> dispositions that 
>> people
>>>>>>>>> conceal from one another.[1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wish I had this kind of optimism. I don’t live anywhere
>>>>>>>> near Ukraine, it’s only august, and I’m already scared to
>>>>>>>> death of seeing all the articles this winter about people-
>>>>>>>> especially 
>> elderly
>>>>>>>> and babies- being found frozen to death in their beds.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When you rely on Christ's death and resurrection as the just
>> payment
>>>>>>> for our sins, you live forever with God in joy and peace, even
>> after
>>>>>>> you die physically. He promises to raise you from the dead in a
>>>>>>> glorified body (1 Corinthians 15).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        What about those millions who lived
>>>>>> and died never hearing about Jesus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        Eternal damnation?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Romans 1 shows the justice of God in the condemnation of pagans
>>>>> who 
>>>> have
>>>>> never heard about Jesus, because they reject and suppress the
>> knowledge
>>>>> of God that's evident to them in creation.
>>>>>
>>>>> They suppress that knowledge with deeds of unrighteousness, by
>>>>> worshiping creation instead of God, etc. Since they did not wish
>>>>> to retain the knowledge of God, He handed them over to their own
>>>> corruption.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thus it is just for God to condemn pagans, even though they did
>>>>> not 
>>>> hear
>>>>> about Christ. The implication seems to be that if they had not
>> rejected
>>>>> the knowledge of God in creation, He would have sent them the
>>>>> gospel. 
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       Ex post facto laws.
>>>>
>>>>       What you did was legal when you did it,
>>>> later condemned, with no notice to you, so
>>>> you are at fault for not obeying it.
>>>>
>>>>       Divine Justice, 101
>>>
>>>
>>> Since God's power and divine nature are plainly visible through what
>>> He created, people are held accountable because they actively
>>> suppress 
>> that
>>> truth, not because they lacked notice.
>> 
>>   
>>       Where does the Bible say that?
> 
> 
> Romans 1
> 
> “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all
> ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness
> suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them,
> because God has shown it to them.


     How can people who never heard of Jesus
be condemned for not accepting Jesus?



> For his invisible attributes,


     Why would any god make in "attributes"
invisible?


> namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly
> perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that
> have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew
> God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they
> became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were
> darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the
> glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds
> and animals and creeping things.” (Romans 1:18–23, ESV) 
> 
>> 
>>>   It is therefore not an "ex post
>>> facto" law.
>>>
> 
> 
> Instead of admit it is not "ex post facto", since they reject the 
> knowledge of God evident in creation, you're now going to change the 
> subject to set up a new standard of "justice".


    It is your claim that people born
before Jesus should be condemned for 
not following Jesus.   



> 
> 
>>        Explain the "divine justice" of
>> God killing the firstborn children in
>> Egypt who never violated any of God's
>> laws.
> 
> 
> The implication of your statement is that people are born "innocent"
> and "deserving" of salvation. This is not the case:


     And that is the problem. 


> 
> Imputed Sin
> 
> Imputed sin centers on a direct legal transaction that occurred at the
> beginning of human history (Romans 5:12). In the Garden of Eden, Adam 
> stood as the federal and covenant representative for the entire human 
> race (Genesis 2:16-17, 1 Corinthians 15:22).
> 
> When Adam broke God's commandment, his one act of disobedience was 
> judicially charged to the legal account of all humanity (Romans 5:19).
> As a result, the sentence of condemnation and death passed upon every 
> person before they could commit individual sins (Romans 5:14, Romans
> 5:16). 
> 


     That is the most disgusting idea
ever promoted by any religion. "No life
has any value because all are sinners"

     Kill infidels, burn witches, torture 
Jews, murder children, it's all good. 


> This legal reckoning sets the foundation for understanding the gospel.
> Just as Adam's disobedience was credited to all in him, the perfect 
> righteousness of Jesus Christ is credited to believers for their 
> justification (Romans 5:17-18, 2 Corinthians 5:21).
> 
> Inherited Sin
> 
> Inherited sin addresses our internal moral condition, which is passed 
> down from parents to children through natural generation (Genesis 5:3,
> Job 14:4). From the moment of conception, every human being possesses
> a corrupted nature that affects the mind, will, and affections (Psalm 
> 51:5, Jeremiah 17:9).
> 
> Rebellion is not merely learned; humans are born estranged from God, 
> going astray and speaking lies from the womb (Psalm 58:3, Isaiah
> 48:8). 
>  From childhood, the intentions and foolishness of the human heart
>  turn 
> naturally away from righteousness (Genesis 8:21, Proverbs 22:15).
> 
> Because of this condition, people enter the world spiritually dead and
> unable to submit to God or please Him on their own (Romans 8:7-8, 
> Ephesians 2:1-3, 1 Corinthians 2:14). The personal transgressions we 
> commit are the direct outward fruit of this internal corruption
> (Romans 3:10-12, Mark 7:21-23, Galatians 5:19-21).


    If all life is "spiritually dead" and 
"internally corrupt" then why the fuss over
abortion?


> 
> Judicial Sin
> 
> Judicial sin, or judicial confinement, refers to God's sovereign legal
> decree that has concluded all humanity under the universal guilt and 
> power of sin (Galatians 3:22, Romans 11:32). Through the law, God has 
> formally locked up every mouth, eliminating all claims to personal 
> innocence or merit (Romans 3:19-20, Galatians 3:10).
> 
> This universal verdict strips away human boasting and places every 
> individual on the exact same ground of utter need (Romans 3:23-24, 
> Galatians 2:16).
> 
> By shutting all under sin, God prepared the way for the promise of 
> salvation to be received purely by grace through faith in Jesus
> Christ, extending His mercy to everyone who believes (Galatians 3:22,
> Romans 3:21-22, Romans 11:32).


    Exactly. If God's mercy only applies to 
Jesus believers then all who died before 
Jesus are condemned.