Re: Psalm 7: EBTC Insights

Christ Rose <[email protected]> wrote in
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> Sat, 22 Aug 2026 13:33:01 +0000,
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>   Mitchell Holman <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> Christ Rose <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>> 
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>>> Wed, 19 Aug 2026 02:20:22 +0000,
>>>    <[email protected]>
>>>    Mitchell Holman <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        Why would any god make in "attributes"
>>>> invisible?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>        • Invisibility is inherent to God's nature as a spirit
>>>        being. 
>>>          "God is a spirit, and those who worship Him must worship
>>>          Him in spirit and truth" (John 4:24).
>>>
>>>        • God made his invisible attributes evident to man through
>>>          creation (Romans 1:20; Psalm 19), specific revelation
>>>          (Psalm 19; Hebrews 1:1, 2 Timothy 3:16), and by the
>>>          incarnation of Jesus Christ (John 1:14, 18; Colossians
>>>          1:15). 
>>>
>>>        • If God showed men His full spirit glory without shielding
>>>        them
>>>          from it in the body of Christ, it would kill them: “Then
>>>          Moses said, “I pray, show me Your glory....He said,
>>>          “You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and
>>>          live.”” (Exodus 33:18–20, MEV)
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> Note: I said "full spirit glory".
> 
> 
>> And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as
>> a man speaketh to his friend.
>> Exodus 33:11
> 
> 
> Just a few verses later in the same chapter (Exodus 33:20–23), God 
> explicitly tells Moses, "You cannot see My face," and places Moses in 
> the cleft of a rock, covering him with His hand so Moses only sees His
> "back" as He passes by. The phrase "face to face" in verse 11 simply 
> denotes a deep, intimate, conversational relationship, not a visual 
> sighting of God's unveiled shekinah-glory ("full spirit glory").
> 
> 
>> For I have seen God face to face, and my life
>> is preserved.
>> Genesis 32:30
> 
> 
> idem.
> 
> 
>> And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said,
>> Unto thy seed will I give this land:
>> Genesis 12:7
> 
> 
> idem.
> 
> 
>> And when Abram was ninety years old and nine,
>> the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him..
>> Genesis 17:1
> 
> 
> idem.
> 
> 
>> And the LORD appeared unto Isaac, and said,
>> Go not down into Egypt
>> Genesis 26:2
> 
> 
> idem.
> 
> 
>> And the LORD appeared unto Isaac the same
>> night, and said, I am the God of Abraham thy
>> father: fear not.
>> Genesis 26:24
> 
> 
> idem.
> 
> 
>> And God appeared unto Jacob again, when he came
>> out of Padanaram, and blessed him.
>> Genesis 35:9
> 
> 
> idem.
> 
>> And Jacob said unto Joseph, God Almighty appeared
>> unto me at Luz in the land of Canaan.
>> Genesis 48:3
>> 
> 
> idem.
> 
> As noted, this was a reference to God's "full spirit glory"
> (Shekinah). In the places you cite, God appeared in a form which
> veiled it. God was not manifesting his "full spirit glory" in those
> instances, but a veiled form they could tolerate. These appearances
> are typical, pointing forward to Christ's incarnation, where God's
> glory was veiled within the temple of His human body (John 1:14; John
> 2:19-21; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 10:19-20).
> 
> John 1:18 states: "No man has seen God at any time. The only Son, who
> is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him."
> 


    Yes, the Bible is full of contradictions. 



> 
> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       It is your claim that people born
>>>> before Jesus should be condemned for
>>>> not following Jesus.
>>>
>>>
>>>   From the time man sinned until now, God has always declared men
>>> righteous and delivered them from condemnation through faith in His
>>> promise of a coming "seed" (Christ) who would be their redeemer.
> 
> 
> Note: It says God has always declared men righteous and delivered them
> from condemnation "through faith in His promise...". This does not
> mean that all men will put faith in God's promises and be saved, but
> that God has always offered salvation to all men through faith in His
> promise. 
> 
>>       
>> The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the
>> human race had become on the earth, and that
>> every inclination of the thoughts of the human
>> heart was only evil all the time. The Lord
>> regretted that he had made human beings on the
>> earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.
>> Genesis 6:5
> 
> 
> Idem. They were condemned because they did not believe God's warnings 


    What warnings? Show us the pre-flood
warnings God gave to humanity.



> and promise of salvation ("through faith"). Noah and his family were 
> saved through faith. Those who rejected the warning of God perished.
> 
> "By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved 
> with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he
> condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by 
> faith." (Hebrews 11:7)
> 
> "And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a 
> preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the
> ungodly;" (2 Peter 2:5)
> 
> 
>>>
>>>        • In Genesis 3:15, God promised the seed of the woman would
>>>        crush
>>>          the head of the serpent (Satan). After the birth of Seth,
>>>          men began to call on the name of the Lord on the basis of
>>>          faith in this promise of the coming seed (Genesis 5).
>>>
>>>        • Romans 4 and Galatians show that Abraham was declared
>>>        righteous
>>>          on the basis of faith in God's promise to provide a "seed"
>>>          through whom all nations would be blessed (Genesis 12:3,
>>>          15:5-6, 22:18; Romans 4:3, 13-18; Galatians 3:6-8, 16).
>>>          Christ is that seed of blessing.
>>>
>>>        • Romans 3 shows that Christ's death is a demonstration of
>>>        God's
>>>          righteousness against sins that were formerly committed in
>>>          the Old Testament era (Romans 3:25-26).
>>>
>>> Christ's death provides a just atonement for the sins of all men
>>> past, present, and future. This revelation has been progressive
>>> through history, and men have always been declared righteous and
>>> saved through faith in that message.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>          Explain the "divine justice" of
>>>>>> God killing the firstborn children in
>>>>>> Egypt who never violated any of God's
>>>>>> laws.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The implication of your statement is that people are born
>>>>> "innocent" and "deserving" of salvation. This is not the case:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        And that is the problem.
>>>
>>>
>>> Correct. Faith in Christ's atonement is the solution.
>> 
>> 
>>      Solution to what?
> 
> 
> It is the solution not only to man's sin, but also his lack of the 
> inherent righteousness God requires to enter His presence:
> 
> “For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the
> scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.”
> (Matthew 5:20, ESV)
> 
> “For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might
> become the righteousness of God in Him.” (2 Corinthians 5:21, NKJV)
> 
> Thus, Christ's atonement is the solution in that it not only removes
> the guilt of our sin, but also imputes to us the righteousness of
> Christ which is necessary to enter into God's presence.
> 
> 
> 
>>      The firstborn of Egypt did nothing wrong,
>> God killed them anyway.
> 
> 
>       • How do you know the firstborn of Egypt did nothing wrong?


   The Bible itself shows they were killed 
as a message to Pharaoh, not because they 
personally sinned. 



>         "Firstborn" doesn't even necessitate they were babies. The
>         first-born could have been 80 years old by the time of that
>         plague.
> 
>       • “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
>       and 
>         are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption
>         that is in Christ Jesus,” (Romans 3:23–24, ESV). "All"
>         means "all". The Bible says "all have sinned".
> 
>       • “The wicked are estranged from the womb; they go astray
>       from 
>         birth, speaking lies.” (Psalm 58:3, ESV) The Bible says the
>         wicked are estranged from the womb. They go astray from birth.
> 
>       • “Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did
>       my 
>         mother conceive me.” (Psalm 51:5, ESV)
> 
>       • "...for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his
>         youth..." (Genesis 8:21)
> 
>       • "“What is man, that he can be pure? Or he who is born of a
>         woman, that he can be righteous?” (Job 15:14, ESV)
> 
>       • ""How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be
>         clean that is born of a woman?" (Job 25:4)
> 
>       • Justification with God requires God's declaration of
>         righteousness, not man's (Romans 3:20-24; Romans 4:3-5; Romans
>         8:33; Galatians 2:16; Titus 3:5). God knows the secrets
>         of the hearts and thoughts (Hebrews 4:12-13). He knows not
>         only what people have done, but what they will do (1 Samuel
>         23:11-12; 2 Kings 8:12-13; Matthew 11:21-23). We don't.
> 
>       • Your computer is 100% free from sin. Does that mean it
>         "deserves" to stay in your presence forever? Won't you in fact
>         be just when you one day throw it into a trash heap, away from
>         your presence? Does it possess the inherent righteousness to
>         "merit" your eternal favor? Entering God's presence in heaven
>         requires not only a sin-free condition, but also the personal
>         righteousness of Jesus Christ being imputed to your account (2
>         Corinthians 5:21).
> 
> Conclusion: The Bible shows that "all have sinned".


     Does that mean all can be killed?

     What is the point of murder laws when 
all victims deserve to die for their "sin"?



>  Even the absence
> of sin doesn't equal the presence of a righteousness which "deserves"
> to enter heaven. Only faith in Christ's atonement supplies both the
> removal of sin and the imputation of righteousness needed to "deserve"
> to enter God's presence for eternity.


      When God kills innocent people are they 
barred from Heaven?