Re: Uncovering the fallacies of so called "nudist" organizations. Solution: TGB and the likes

Ok, now Peter I’m going to throw my two cents in here.

There are times t hat I find Anna to be somewhat annoying because of
her insistence of pulling up anything and everything she can find that
has even the remotest link to nudism, even if it is just the fact that
someone may have taken off their clothes at some point in time.

Quite often these stories are very old or only remotely connected to
nudism, frequently they portray something that she thinks is wrong
with nudism, most often things that are mainly ‘wrong’ to her and a
few other prudish repressed types, some of which are apparent on this
group.

Now I said “at times”, there are also quite a few times that I find
the posts of Anna to be enjoyable in that they open the way for good
discussions about nudism, but these others here that shun her ruin
those opportunities with their ignorance.

Now Anna clearly shows the more repressive mindset that we have to
contend with, but there are also those others here that though not of
the same mindset as Anna they are just as repressive in their own
ways.
They would restrict (much as Anna does) who can use the title
“Nudist”, they claim to keep others from connecting nudism to
behaviors that they think would make nudism look “Bad”, when it is not
really so much what others ‘may think’ as it is what they (these prude-
nudes) think that is the reason though they can’t really admit that
even to themselves.

They refuse to accept that though nudism can be practiced by people
without involving sex, it can also be practiced by people and involve
sex of whatever degree they want it to be.

Now JonZee with his insistence that all nudists are somehow ‘perverts’
for wanting to be naked, that grates me almost as much as the prudes
because I do not view nudism as a ‘perversion’, nor I think do many
others that would practice nudism, even with sex involved.

The other thing to JonZee’s allegations of ‘perversion’ in regards to
nudism is his allusion to possible incest or pedophiliac behavior.
Now I’m not going to say that there isn’t such behavior (that would be
stupid) but I am going to say that there isn’t to the degree to which
JonZee alludes, nor is it necessarily related to the nudism like
JonZee says.

For the other side we have these people that claim to be looking for
acceptance of nudism by others, but they are unwilling to accept the
idea that some nudists might want to engage in sex while practicing
their nudism or that they might want to engage in any kind of sex
while they practice nudism, or even that they might just do something
that (by some stretch) might be considered “Sexual” by some such as
the “Lingerie Shows” that Anna decries, or establishments like yours,
Paradise Lakes, Hedonism 1-(Whatever) or Hippy Hollow.
It bugs me that they try to distance themselves from anything that
they think will ‘contaminate their nudism’.
They are seriously deluded in thinking that their telling everyone
that “That’s not real nudism” is not going to change what hose people
think once they have something in their minds, just as Anna and JonZee
clearly demonstrate here, we could talk until we’re blue in the face
and we wouldn’t change these two one iota.
Not to say that they’re ‘typical’ of what is out there in society, but
they are a fair example, and we see how this has worked on them.
They might as well accept that most people have already linked all
forms of nudism and stop wasting their time trying to deny a
connection that exists in everyone else’s minds and accept it.

As I said before, if I win the Lottery I would most likely open a
place similar to The Grand Barn.  :0)