Re: Uncovering the fallacies of TGB and the like

On Aug 26, 10:03 pm, TheWhiteCockatoo <[email protected]>
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> On Aug 27, 11:13 am, Peter Riden <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > On Aug 21, 4:14 am, Zee <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > On Aug 21, 2:51 am, Stuffed Tiger <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:32:54 -0700 (PDT), Peter Riden
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> > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > ...
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> > > > >And, in your case, it's even more fraudulent because while using my
> > > > >line of thoughts in one sentence you're rabid at attacking what I
> > > > >stand for in the next.
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> > > > Because, nobody should care if Nudists have sex back in their campers
> > > > anymore than they should care at a KOA campground. My position on this
> > > > is neither new nor news to Rec.Nude. That's how we get new nudists.
> > > > I vigorously defended Caliente's right to have swingers on premise to
> > > > conduct private activities and still be a nudist resort. As long as
> > > > the sexual activity was kept distinct, why should anyone care, any
> > > > more than I care what my neighbors do in private.
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> > > > Well, I was convinced by what others said here that it was not kept
> > > > separate at all. As I understand it from reports, Caliente went out of
> > > > their way to identify the resort with swinging, to host and to promote
> > > > swinging events, and to claim this was all in the name of freedom, as
> > > > you are doing.
> > > > What freedom did that give nudist families? None. No recourse.
> > > > I still believe it was a mistake for nudists and Caliente not to find
> > > > an arrangement. In fact, I think there should have been no problem if
> > > > Caliente lived up to their own FAQ, "Overt sexual behavior or the
> > > > appearance of such behavior is unacceptable at Caliente Resorts.
> > > > Behavior "never needing an apology" is the norm."
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> > > > Unfortunately, their parties promoted exactly the opposite behavior,
> > > > like the parties you are having at your place. Again, I have no
> > > > problem with that except when someone tries to make that into Nudism.
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> > > > I understand that such distinctions detract from the business owners
> > > > freedom to make a buck, but there are plenty of other business owners
> > > > who live with more difficult restrictions on their product freedoms
> > > > and learn how to serve different groups that need to co-exist. My
> > > > point is that us nudists, as the distinct minority, need to learn how
> > > > to co-exist with swingers and textiles, but certainly not by
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> > > > >And you've done so repeatedly and have endorsed most of what my
> > > > >crackpot declared enemy has blurted all those past years.
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> > > > No I haven't. I've said there is plenty of room for compromise. That
> > > > doesn't mean there are not issues to be resolved, and on both sides.
> > > > >So saying one thing as you do and doing the opposite in the next line
> > > > >of thoughts... you can be sure that I know where you stand and that in
> > > > >no way would I ever trust you or your kind.
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> > > > Given that there are so many more non-nudist facilities, I believe it
> > > > is in the interest of Nudists to promote the use of facilities for
> > > > multiple use, and push for access to private textile facilities like
> > > > pools and gyms, and public facilities like beaches and party rooms,
> > > > just not at the same time and place as textiles or swingers.
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> > > > We can't do that and then turn around and say our own facilities are
> > > > off limits for multiple use. We have to find solid compromises.
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> > > > This is no different than any swim club, gym or campground that rents
> > > > out space for private functions. Being isolated effectively limits the
> > > > places where us nudist families can practice our beliefs and makes us
> > > > appear like a cult when we are actually a plurality. We need people
> > > > who will make space for us to practice our beliefs among others.
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> > > > I wish it was you, Peter, but it does not seem to be so. You want to
> > > > make the case that swinging and nudism are one and the same. You want
> > > > to mix it all up at the same time and then get huffy when I object.
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> > > > Peter, it matters when you mix nudism and swinging and call them the
> > > > same thing. That really hurts family nudism and sets a bad example.
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> > > Peter ..
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> > Hi John, once more.
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> > >.this lying idiot says there is no sex at the nude beaches or
> > > nudist camps...and he wants to compromise...at least you gotta agree
> > > that Anna is right about this guy....
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> > AS you've long observed, John, Stuffy contradicts himself so blatantly
> > that it's not funny.
> > Telling me he has no problem with me and TGB and at once coming with
> > insipidities such as "not the real and potentially dangerous sexual
> > contact of TGB." among other of his insipidities written in the past.
> > And of course always changing the subject title against TGB which I
> > have to rectify every time. And all this hypocrisy blurted everyday
> > that says one thing yet demonstrates the opposite. Indeed it makes
> > for
> > a serious encumbrance for those who want a clear breeze when it comes
> > to adult socializing Nude Recreation.
> > He denies, yet at once, he proves to be one of the very shifter that
> > is
> > a liability to have around for those who seek clear and loyal support
> > for what they offer as a venture.
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> > > .he and fox are of the same dna....
> > > jz.
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> > Tony would be more of my DNA, John.
> > Except that Tony got carried by the wave of malcontents and didn't
> > take
> > time to realize you repeatedly had very supportive words for his
> > stance.. a lot like the way I am when it comes to admit we're
> > realistic
> > in what we offer to the knowing public at large.
> > In fact you, along with Dario, have been expressing quite some
> > support
> > for Tony because you realize he offered much of what is offered at
> > TGB.
> > But Tony might not have picked up on this.
> > I vaguely go through what my opponents write unless directed at me
> > so,
> > maybe, Tony skipped many of your good thoughts on his business and
> > just
> > got carried away riding the wave which in turn got you also carried
> > away towards him. It's all a matter of really keeping focused on who
> > "tried to compromise what I stand for. "
> > In Friendship & Universality
> > Peter Riden {T.W.A.N. Founder}http://www.the-worldwide-affiliate-network.com
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> Sorry Peter to disagree with your observation here regarding Jonzee.
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> Whilst I am well aware that John may be supportive of what we do here
> for part of the year he is obviously not in support, let alone has any
> understanding, of our Nudist Seasons.
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> His agreement and occasional support for some aspects of our business
> has more to do with our Adults Only Seasons, which are definitely more
> in tune with that which you provide.
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> Our Nudist Seasons are much more controlled, totally non-sexual, yet
> always relaxed and fun as the vast majority of our guests attest.
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> However Jonzee's constant assertions that whenever children are
> involved in a nude environment it is sexually based are so out of
> touch with reality it's laughable!
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> I couldn't care less about his memories from the 70's as they have
> nothing at all to do with what happens here, or with the reality of
> today at any reputable nudist establishment anywhere in the world.
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> However I cannot really speak for other nudist places.... But our
> reality is:
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> During our Nudist Seasons we are family friendly and have not had one
> single problem with children with 7 Nudist Seasons completed!
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> As responsible Nudist Resort operators we are ever vigilant of guests
> behaviour, and especially so when children are present, and these days
> have that ability in an anonymous manner with CCTV cameras throughout
> the property.
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> Not once in 7 years have we had any situation anytime involving
> children that has required our intervention, and believe me I'd be the
> 1st to be sinking a size 10 fair up somebodies rear end, as I escorted
> them from the property, should anything even slightly untoward occur
> with children!
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> Jonzee's idea that any adult around nude children is always having
> sexual thoughts about those children is not only personally offensive
> to me, it's just downright stupidity!
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> We have families come here on a regular repeat basis, and part of the
> reason they do is precisely due to some of that outlined above in that
> the safety of their children is paramount to me and the knowledge that
> I would have no hesitation in taking care of any problem immediately,
> but it simply doesn't happen.
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> That's Our Reality.
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> Obviously far removed from Jonzee's!
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> Regards
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> Tony Fox
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> @ The World Famous White Cockatoo
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well if you had explained your contempt to the other poster you were
talkin with ...it would have saved all the contempt i dealt your
way....so here i am right now saying who am i to say you are lying
about your non sexual child friendly wholesome environment....i am not
from australia and so rant on.....but i gotta tell ya Tony ...your
rant is identical to the rants over the years here in the usa....so
you have no right to insinuate that i do not always tell the truth
about what i have encountered in the usa....you should praise me for
spending so much time to destroy the credibility of so called posters
that put out the same rant as you but are lying like dogs or either so
ignorant they cannot help themselves.....kids in my opinion are sexual
in the usa .....and remove their clothes with strange adults is a
sexual explosion lookin for a place to happen and i can assure the
world that it will happen..at sometime in the future..... but if you
say that is not so in australia....i will not call you a liar.....and
feel free to rant on but it is so idential to the thousands of rants
from usa typical nudist that is is memorized by all and is now quite
boring.....jz