Re: "...and then the end will come."

On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 21:07:25 -0700, Samuel Spade <[email protected]>
wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 15:50:01 -0700, Samuel Spade <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >[email protected] wrote:
>> >
>> >> "...and then the end will come."
>> >> 
>> >> What could possibly hold up the "end" from coming? According to Jesus,
>> >> something MUST happen before God closes down and deletes this old
>> >> system of things. Carefully notice the prophetic words of Jesus at Mt
>> >> 24:14,
>> >> 
>> >> "And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as
>> >> a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come." (NIV)
>> >> 
>> >> So we must find a preaching campaign about a "kingdom" gospel, going
>> >> on in "the whole world", prior to the "end". Do we find that happening
>> >> today? YES IT IS. How so?
>> >
>> >What exactly is The End?  Aren't there things that
>> >have to come first like the rapture, the Tribulation,
>> >and the millenial kingdom?
>> 
>> The Rapture is a misinterpretation of 1 Th 4:17:
>> 
>> Not everything in the Bible has as its target everyone. Sometimes it
>> is only certain classes of people, or even OT enemy nations.
>> 
>> For example,the Bible tells us that humans (flesh and blood) cannot
>> get into Heaven. (1 Co 15:50) Thus any 'rapturing' going on would
>> likely be invisible to human eyes, since they would have to shed their
>> physical bodies in order to get into Heaven. And that is what they do
>> in vs 51,52. 
>
>So you don't think most people will shed their
>containers and become spirit beings.  One might have
>hoped to float through walls, and do instant
>hyperdimensional travel.

It's not what I think, but what the Bible says.

>
>Doesn't this put JWs at a marketing disadvantage to
>the churches?  Though the lack of eternal torment
>makes up for it.

On the contrary, JW's go by TRUE Bible doctrines. Those in the
churches are told to GET OUT OF HER!

-- King James
Revelation 18:4  And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come
out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that
ye receive not of her plagues.

>
>
>> But even if the 'rapture' was real, will ALL the righteous humans be
>> 'raptured' away to Heaven? No not at all. God's word the Bible says
>> that there will also be righteous people living forever right here on
>> the earth, as the following scriptures reveal. Mt 5:5,
>> 
>> "Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth." (NIV)
>> 
>> God created this beautiful earth to have people on it. Thus not ALL
>> good people will leave the earth and go to Heaven. Isa 45:18,
>> 
>> "For this is what the LORD says-- he who created the heavens, he is
>> God; he who fashioned and made the earth, he founded it; he did not
>> create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited--..." (NIV)
>> 
>> Ps 37:29,
>> 
>> "The upright will have the earth for their heritage, and will go on
>> living there for ever." (The Bible in Basic English)
>
>What happens when the sun becomes a red giant, and the
>earth is cooked? 

Going by your words, all those on the earth will become hamburgers.
But in reality, the Bible clearly says there will be people living on
the earth forever. The One who created the sun will make sure that
won't happen.


> Will the upright move to a different
>planet?  Or will there be divine intervention to keep
>the earth cool?

Would a chef who is baking a cake in the oven, just let it burn? Of
course not. Neither will God.

>
>Then when the sun is dead, does the earth get towed to
>a new star?

Nope. The Scriptures clearly say that people will be living forever on
the EARTH. Thus the earth will never be destroyed, or turned into a
red giant. (Ps 37:29), etc.

>
>And, how long is "forever"? 

Just as one minute is 60 seconds, "forever" means eternity.

> When the universe goes
>dark & boring, and nothing is left but black holes,
>will everything on earth continue on as always?

Will a brain surgeon let a brain tumor kill his patient? No, he will
operate on his patient until the tumor has been removed. 

God, the planet surgeon, will always make sure the earth will always
be occupied, even if the rest of the universe is destroyed. We have
God's word for that. (see above)

>
>
>> Thus that Thessalonians Scripture is targeted only for those who go to
>> Heaven. And that is a finite number; 144,000. (Rev 14:1; 7:4)
>> 
>> As we can see above, not ALL the righteous will go to Heaven. Many
>> will be living on a cleansed earth. But what will those who go to
>> Heaven do? They will assist Jesus in judging those living on the
>> earth. They are called "priests" and "kings". (Rev 20:6)
>
>I see.  THanks for explaining.

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