Re: Jesus (YHWH) The Creator

Christ Rose <[email protected]>
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Satan's Witnesses ("Jehovah's Witnesses) are satanically manipulated 
liars who contradict every major Bible teaching, not the least of which 
is the fact Jesus is the Creator God.

The Deity And Eternal Pre-Existence Of Jesus Christ Shown From Plain 
Scripture

1. Jesus Christ Is The Creator Of All Things, Not A Created Being

"All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing 
made that was made." (John 1:3 ESV)

Notice the exact statement of Scripture: "without him was not any thing 
made that was made."

If not anything was made without Him, then Jesus Christ Himself could 
not have been made or created. If He were a created being, He would be 
one of the things that "was made," which would contradict the plain 
statement that without Him was not ANYTHING made that was made.

"For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and 
invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all 
things were created through him and for him. And he is before all 
things, and in him all things hold together." (Colossians 1:16-17 ESV)

First.--Jesus Christ created all things in heaven and on earth, visible 
and invisible.

Second.--He is before all things.

Third.--In Him all things hold together.

Proposition: Jesus Christ is the Uncreated Creator of all created 
things, visible and invisible.

2. The Word Was God From All Eternity (John 1:1)

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word 
was God." (John 1:1 ESV)

First.--"In the beginning was the Word." The Bible does not say "In the 
beginning the Word was created," nor "In the beginning the Word came 
into existence." It says "was." When creation had its beginning, the 
Word already was.

Second.--"And the Word was God." The Scripture makes a positive, plain 
declaration: "the Word was God." To change this to read "the Word was a 
god" introduces a second god into the text, which is directly contrary 
to the explicit teaching of the rest of Scripture.

"'You are my witnesses,' declares the LORD, 'and my servant whom I have 
chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. 
Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me.'" (Isaiah 
43:10 ESV)

Jehovah God distinctly proclaims that before Him no god was formed, nor 
shall there be any after Him. Therefore, to claim that Jesus is "a god" 
formed or created by Jehovah contradicts Jehovah's own plain statement.

Proposition: The Word was not a lesser created god, but was Himself God 
from the beginning.

3. Jesus Claimed Divine Self-Existence In John 8:58

"Jesus said to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I 
am.'" (John 8:58 ESV)

Notice that Jesus did not say, "Before Abraham was, I was," nor "Before 
Abraham was, I existed." He used the expression "I am" (ego eimi), 
claiming timeless, absolute, self-existent deity.

"God said to Moses, 'I AM WHO I AM.' And he said, 'Say this to the 
people of Israel: "I AM has sent me to you."'" (Exodus 3:14 ESV)

"So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and 
went out of the temple." (John 8:59 ESV)

The Jewish hearers understood exactly what Jesus was claiming. They did 
not attempt to stone Him for claiming merely to be older than Abraham, 
but because by using the title "I AM," He claimed the name and identity 
of Jehovah God.

Proposition: In John 8:58, Jesus claimed absolute, timeless, divine 
existence.

4. The Title "Son Of God" Asserts Divine Equality

"This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because he 
not only was breaking the Sabbath, but was even calling God his own 
Father, making himself equal with God." (John 5:18 ESV)

In the language of Scripture, when Jesus claimed God as His own Father 
in a unique sense, those who heard Him understood clearly that He was 
making Himself equal with God.

"I and the Father are one." (John 10:30 ESV)

"The Jews answered him, 'It is not for a good work that we are going to 
stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself 
God.'" (John 10:33 ESV)

When Jesus said, "I and the Father are one," His hearers understood Him 
to mean that He was God. Jesus did not correct their understanding by 
denying His deity; He asserted His divine commission and authority.

Regarding Luke 1:32, where He is called the Son of David and Son of the 
Highest:

Jesus is the Son of David according to the flesh, as regarding His human 
birth (Romans 1:3), but according to His divine nature He is the Lord of 
David.

"He said to them, 'How is it then that David, in the Spirit, calls him 
Lord, saying, "The Lord said to my Lord, 'Sit at my right hand, until I 
put your enemies under your feet'"? If then David calls him Lord, how is 
he his son?'" (Matthew 22:43-45 ESV)

Proposition: The title "Son of God" as used of Jesus Christ expresses 
unique oneness and equality with God the Father.

5. Jesus Receives Divine Worship And Honor Reserved For God Alone

"Jesus heard that they had cast him out, and having found him he said, 
'Do you believe in the Son of Man?' He answered, 'And who is he, sir, 
that I may believe in him?' Jesus said to him, 'You have seen him, and 
it is he who is speaking to you.' He said, 'Lord, I believe,' and he 
worshiped him." (John 9:35-38 ESV)

"And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, 'Let 
all God's angels worship him.'" (Hebrews 1:6 ESV)

First.--Jesus accepted worship from men without rebuke.

Second.--God the Father commands all the angels to worship the Son.

Compare this with how holy men and angels refused worship:

"When Peter entered, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and 
worshiped him. But Peter lifted him up, saying, 'Stand up; I too am a 
man.'" (Acts 10:25-26 ESV)

"Then he said to me, 'You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with 
you and your brothers the prophets, and with those who keep the words of 
this book. Worship God.'" (Revelation 22:9 ESV)

"That all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does 
not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him." (John 5:23 ESV)

Proposition: It is the explicit command of God that Jesus Christ receive 
the exact same honor and worship that is given to God the Father.

Summary

Jesus Christ is the Uncreated Creator of all things (John 1:3, 
Colossians 1:16-17).

The Word was God from all eternity, and no secondary god was ever formed 
(John 1:1, Isaiah 43:10).

Jesus declared His eternal self-existence using the divine title "I AM" 
(John 8:58, Exodus 3:14).

Jesus affirmed His equality with the Father as the Son of God (John 
5:18, John 10:30).

Jesus receives divine worship from men and angels by God's own command 
(Hebrews 1:6, John 5:23).

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Good News †

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rose from the dead (1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Galatians 1:8-9). Every 
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Revelation 19:20; Revelation 20:10-15). You will die in your sins if you 
deny that Jesus is God (John 8:58).

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