Re: Seeburg STD4 - not playing side A

On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 9:48:36 AM UTC-6, John Robertson wrote:
> On 2022/11/16 5:49 a.m., Deanie Spikes wrote: 
> > On Friday, March 5, 2004 at 6:14:08 PM UTC-6, Andy Guthrie wrote: 
> >> Well thanks for the warning... Unfortunately, it's said and done. I 
> >> straightened out the contact and side A is now back in the game. 
> >> Everything is back to its original state, plus side A is working, but I 
> >> am getting the occasional wrong selection error. 
> >> The most common mistake seems to be it reading a 5 as a 2 (i.e., playing 
> >> 126 instead of 156). 
> >> Until I scrape together the cash for the service manuals... Any suggestions? 
> >> Happy Seeburg Olympian Owner wrote: 
> >>> the strip is called a Tormat :) 
> >>> 
> >>> i wold not remove the tormat unless you have the manual!!! the pice that 
> >>> scans the tormat if i remember right can be removed seperatly <consult the 
> >>> manual> 
> >>> 
> >>> Jim w 
> >>> "Andy Guthrie" <[email protected]> wrote in message 
> >>> news:[email protected]... 
> >>> 
> >>>> Well, here's an update. 
> >>>> I can only assume that I was mistaken about seeing side A work at the 
> >>>> previous owners house. I pulled the front off and found that the contact 
> >>>> for the A side of the record (where it scans the magnetic o-rings) is 
> >>>> bent. I am going to try to remove the strip of magnetic o-rings (gee, 
> >>>> can you tell I'm a newbie with these terms?) and straighten out the 
> >>>> sensor. I sure hope this works... 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Andy Guthrie wrote: 
> >>>> 
> >>>>> Hi everyone- my first post. 
> >>>>> I have officially started my jukebox "collection" by buying a Seeburg 
> >>>>> STD4 "Mardi Gras" model. 
> >>>>> Things seem to be ok, except I cannot play side "A" of the records. All 
> >>>>> of the side B's (the 2xx selections) work fine. 
> >>>>> I followed Tony Miller's troubleshooting guide, and connected the 
> >>>>> negative side of a D battery to the tormat lead, and the machine did 
> >>>>> pick up each disc, but again, only played the B sides. The A sides were 
> >>>>> working when I checked out the machine prior to buying it, so I get the 
> >>>>> feeling that a wire may have fallen loose during the move. 
> >>>>> When I punch in a 1xx selection, the mechanism scans twice and then 
> >>> 
> >>> parks. 
> >>> 
> >>>>> Any ideas what might cause the skipping of the 1xx selections? 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Thanks! 
> >>>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> > Hi, Andy! I realize that I am replying to an ancient post, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to try. I have the same issue with the exact same jukebox. You mentioned that you straightened out the contact for side A selections because it was slightly bent. Could you please explain where this contact is located? I'm not sure where to look! Thanks, so much!
> Check connections in all the plugs related to the keyboard and Tormat 
> (move outward if those are all good). You may find a damaged Molex pin, 
> or a pin that is pushed back relative to the others so it is no longer 
> making contact. 
> 
> This is not uncommon... 
> 
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John, thanks for the advice!  Please forgive my ignorance, but do I need to remove the mechanism in order to check the connections in all the plugs related to the keyboard and Tormat and look for damaged Molex pins?  When I got the jukebox, it was not working.  Lights came on, but the mechanism was stuck all the way to the right (when looking from the back).  After researching a LOT, I felt confident enough to remove the mechanism, which I did.  I oiled the motor, and manually turned the coupling until a full cycle was complete.  It seemed to have been stuck in the play position.  I sprayed the contacts (only the few that I saw....I'm sure I missed some) with contact cleaner.  I replaced everything, and it started scanning!  I did the battery test, and it picked up every #2 side, but none of the #1 sides.  

Sorry for rambling, but I just wanted to explain what I had done.  So, back to my original question...do I need to remove the mechanism again in order to check for damaged connections or pins?  Stupid question #2: is the tarmat part of the whole mechanism that comes out?  Where, exactly, is it?  Thanks for tolerating my ignorance!