Re: Seeburg STD4 - not playing side A

On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 3:23:00 PM UTC-6, John Robertson wrote:
> On 2022/12/04 10:19 a.m., Deanie Spikes wrote: 
> > On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 2:40:39 PM UTC-6, Deanie Spikes wrote: 
> >> On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 11:01:51 AM UTC-6, John Robertson wrote: 
> >>> On 2022/11/19 8:15 a.m., Deanie Spikes wrote: 
> >>>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 9:48:36 AM UTC-6, John Robertson wrote: 
> >>>>> On 2022/11/16 5:49 a.m., Deanie Spikes wrote: 
> >>>>>> On Friday, March 5, 2004 at 6:14:08 PM UTC-6, Andy Guthrie wrote: 
> >>>>>>> Well thanks for the warning... Unfortunately, it's said and done. I 
> >>>>>>> straightened out the contact and side A is now back in the game. 
> >>>>>>> Everything is back to its original state, plus side A is working, but I 
> >>>>>>> am getting the occasional wrong selection error. 
> >>>>>>> The most common mistake seems to be it reading a 5 as a 2 (i.e., playing 
> >>>>>>> 126 instead of 156). 
> >>>>>>> Until I scrape together the cash for the service manuals... Any suggestions? 
> >>>>>>> Happy Seeburg Olympian Owner wrote: 
> >>>>>>>> the strip is called a Tormat :) 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> i wold not remove the tormat unless you have the manual!!! the pice that 
> >>>>>>>> scans the tormat if i remember right can be removed seperatly <consult the 
> >>>>>>>> manual> 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Jim w 
> >>>>>>>> "Andy Guthrie" <[email protected]> wrote in message 
> >>>>>>>> news:[email protected]... 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Well, here's an update. 
> >>>>>>>>> I can only assume that I was mistaken about seeing side A work at the 
> >>>>>>>>> previous owners house. I pulled the front off and found that the contact 
> >>>>>>>>> for the A side of the record (where it scans the magnetic o-rings) is 
> >>>>>>>>> bent. I am going to try to remove the strip of magnetic o-rings (gee, 
> >>>>>>>>> can you tell I'm a newbie with these terms?) and straighten out the 
> >>>>>>>>> sensor. I sure hope this works... 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Andy Guthrie wrote: 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone- my first post. 
> >>>>>>>>>> I have officially started my jukebox "collection" by buying a Seeburg 
> >>>>>>>>>> STD4 "Mardi Gras" model. 
> >>>>>>>>>> Things seem to be ok, except I cannot play side "A" of the records. All 
> >>>>>>>>>> of the side B's (the 2xx selections) work fine. 
> >>>>>>>>>> I followed Tony Miller's troubleshooting guide, and connected the 
> >>>>>>>>>> negative side of a D battery to the tormat lead, and the machine did 
> >>>>>>>>>> pick up each disc, but again, only played the B sides. The A sides were 
> >>>>>>>>>> working when I checked out the machine prior to buying it, so I get the 
> >>>>>>>>>> feeling that a wire may have fallen loose during the move. 
> >>>>>>>>>> When I punch in a 1xx selection, the mechanism scans twice and then 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> parks. 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> Any ideas what might cause the skipping of the 1xx selections? 
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks! 
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Hi, Andy! I realize that I am replying to an ancient post, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to try. I have the same issue with the exact same jukebox. You mentioned that you straightened out the contact for side A selections because it was slightly bent. Could you please explain where this contact is located? I'm not sure where to look! Thanks, so much! 
> >>>>> Check connections in all the plugs related to the keyboard and Tormat 
> >>>>> (move outward if those are all good). You may find a damaged Molex pin, 
> >>>>> or a pin that is pushed back relative to the others so it is no longer 
> >>>>> making contact. 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> This is not uncommon... 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> John :-#)# 
> >>>>> -- 
> >>>> John, thanks for the advice! Please forgive my ignorance, but do I need to remove the mechanism in order to check the connections in all the plugs related to the keyboard and Tormat and look for damaged Molex pins? When I got the jukebox, it was not working. Lights came on, but the mechanism was stuck all the way to the right (when looking from the back). After researching a LOT, I felt confident enough to remove the mechanism, which I did. I oiled the motor, and manually turned the coupling until a full cycle was complete. It seemed to have been stuck in the play position. I sprayed the contacts (only the few that I saw....I'm sure I missed some) with contact cleaner. I replaced everything, and it started scanning! I did the battery test, and it picked up every #2 side, but none of the #1 sides. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Sorry for rambling, but I just wanted to explain what I had done. So, back to my original question...do I need to remove the mechanism again in order to check for damaged connections or pins? Stupid question #2: is the tarmat part of the whole mechanism that comes out? Where, exactly, is it? Thanks for tolerating my ignorance! 
> >>> No, you shouldn't have to remove the mechanism to check the connections. 
> >>> I'm thinking checking at the control center first. 
> >>> 
> >>> As for not playing one side, do check the manual and make sure you have 
> >>> set up the Tormat Readout contacts correctly. And the the Tormat is 
> >>> aligned correctly, and that the Reversing Switch on the mechanism is 
> >>> operating correctly - that the circuit to the readout switches - if 
> >>> present - is exchanged correctly. 
> >>> 
> >>> I hope you have the manual! It should go into detail on troubleshooting 
> >>> and adjustments. 
> >>> John :-#)#
> >> Thank you, John. I have the manual, and have printed out several adjustment pages. Hopefully, I'll be able to make some progress! 
> > 
> > 
> > Well, I was able to play all records on side B with keypad selection. I sprayed the contact strip on the tarmac with contact cleaner. I still cannot make a side B selection. The juke box just scans and scans, and then stops. If I trip the return lever in the back, it will pick up a random record and play side A with no trouble. It still will not allow me to play side A through the keypad. I'm thinking that maybe I need to remove the mechanism again, and make sure that the reverse lever is moving freely. Still not sure where to check for damaged pins....
> Your machine is NOT an STD4 and sounds like one of the early fifties 
> machines when you said you flipped a pin and were able to hear side "A". 
> 
> This vintage of machine doesn't use a Tormat, rather it is a Pinbank 
> style of memory, where each side of a record is represented by one 
> toggle pin. This is an Electro-Mechanical type of memory... 
> 
> The pins pop out when they are selected, and then read and cleared by 
> the sliding search block that runs in grooves on the underside of the 
> pinbank. 
> 
> Please let us know exactly what model you have!
> John :-#)# 
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The tag on the back says STD4.  I believe it is known as the Mardi Gras edition.  I have a picture of the tag, and a picture of the reverse lever, as well, but it won't let me attach a photo here.