Re: MRRF advocating "military" religion

On 5/31/2021 8:09 AM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
> On Mon, 31 May 2021 10:01:56 -0500, David Hartung
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> On 5/31/21 9:51 AM, Bill Flett wrote:
>>> On 5/31/2021 5:24 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>> On 5/31/21 7:05 AM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 31 May 2021 06:39:45 -0500, David Hartung
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/30/21 9:23 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>> David Hartung <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/30/21 2:25 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/30/2021 6:35 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> This is at the tome of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation
>>>>>>>>>> website:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "When one proudly dons a U.S. Military Uniform, there is only one
>>>>>>>>>> religious symbol: The U.S. Flag. There is only one religious
>>>>>>>>>> scripture: the American Constitution. Finally, there is only one
>>>>>>>>>> faith: American patriotism."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It would seem that they are int he business of destroying the First
>>>>>>>>>> Amendment, rather than defending it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, that's exactly wrong.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>        The Military Religious Freedom Foundation is dedicated to
>>>>>>>>>     ensuring
>>>>>>>>> that all
>>>>>>>>>        members of the United States Armed Forces fully receive the
>>>>>>>>> Constitutional
>>>>>>>>>        guarantees of religious freedom to which they and all
>>>>>>>>> Americans
>>>>>>>>>     are
>>>>>>>>> entitled
>>>>>>>>>        by virtue of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>        MRFF recognizes that military life requires individual
>>>>>>>>>     adherence to
>>>>>>>>> shared
>>>>>>>>>        patriotic principles. MRFF also recognizes the need for
>>>>>>>>>     military
>>>>>>>>> personnel to
>>>>>>>>>        at times temporarily relinquish some Constitutionally granted
>>>>>>>>>     personal    freedoms for the sake of military discipline and
>>>>>>>>>     objectives.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>        However, MRFF believes that religious faith is a
>>>>>>>>>     Constitutionally
>>>>>>>>> guaranteed
>>>>>>>>>        freedom that must never be compromised, except in the most
>>>>>>>>>     limited of    military circumstances, because of its fundamental
>>>>>>>>>     importance to the    preservation of the American nation and the
>>>>>>>>>     American way of life.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>        Additionally, MRFF adheres strongly to the principle that
>>>>>>>>>     religious
>>>>>>>>> faith is
>>>>>>>>>        a deeply personal matter, and that no American has the
>>>>>>>>> right to
>>>>>>>>> question
>>>>>>>>>        another American’s beliefs as long as they do not unwontedly
>>>>>>>>>     intrude
>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>        public space or the privacy or safety of another individual.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>        https://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/about/our-mission/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They are staunch, stalwart defenders of the first amendment against
>>>>>>>>> the attacks on it by theocratic Taliban-like extremists like you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yet they seem to thrive on restricting the religious exercise of
>>>>>>>> military members.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        "Military members" AGREE to sacrifice their
>>>>>>> religious obligations when enlisting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh? Please explain.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hollowman knows nothing about the military. I serviced [sic in the
>>>>> Army for
>>>
>>> Oh, I'll just *bet* you "serviced" in the army!  You serviced all the
>>> non-comm officers and warrant officers, didn't you?
>>>
>>>
>>>>> 5 years and there was no such agreement. Quite the contrary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a "Religious Freedom in the Military – FAQ"
>>>>> https://firstliberty.org/rights/religious-freedom-in-the-military-faq/
>>>>
>>>> I am certain that Firstliberty is not among the sources which Holman
>>>> considers to be authoritative
>>>
>>> With good reason:  it's a far right-wingnut hate group.
>>
>> As compared to the left wing "main stream" sources you cite?
> 
> Rudy/Bill prefer 

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