Re: Dem Officials Cooking Up Plan to Obliterate Memorial Above Grave of Confederate, Unearth the Deceased Officer

On 6/1/21 5:27 AM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 05:04:37 -0500, David Hartung
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> On 6/1/21 12:07 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> David Hartung <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> On 5/31/21 9:09 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> Blue Lives Matter <andy_franklyn@I_aint_woke.org> wrote in
>>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 31 May 2021 16:04:04 -0500, David Hartung
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/31/21 12:59 PM, Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 May 2021 12:45:17 -0500, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> David Hartung <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.westernjournal.com/dem-officials-cooking-plan-obliter
>>>>>>>>>> at e-me morial-grave-confederate-unearth-deceased-officer/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>> Democrats in Virginia are set to dig up the remains of a
>>>>>>>>>> Confederate Civil War general and tear down a memorial as the
>>>>>>>>>> American left continues its campaign to rewrite history.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The city of Richmond, Virginia, is currently finalizing plans to
>>>>>>>>>> disinter the remains of Gen. Ambrose Powell ???A.P.??? Hill
>>>>>>>>>> and to tear down the monument that honors his life. WRIC-TV
>>>>>>>>>> reported that, under the orders from city officials, including
>>>>>>>>>> millennial Democratic Mayor Levar Stoney, Hill will be dug up
>>>>>>>>>> and erased from the city???s collective memory.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A committee right now is looking over the logistics of that, and
>>>>>>>>>> is working with descendants of Hill regarding where to relocate
>>>>>>>>>> his remains. [...]
>>>>>>>>>> Hill is being canceled 136 years after he was shot through the
>>>>>>>>>> heart by a Union soldier on April 2, 1865 ??? just weeks
>>>>>>>>>> before the end of the Civil War. By all accounts, Hill never
>>>>>>>>>> owned any slaves and never supported slavery. He simply felt
>>>>>>>>>> compelled to fight for Virginians during a time when many
>>>>>>>>>> Americans were more concerned about their neighbors and their
>>>>>>>>>> individual states than their loyalty to the nation as a whole.
>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is a key point, Loyalty to the national government rather
>>>>>>>>>> than to the state was still a developing concept in 1861.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         When Hill graduated West Point
>>>>>>>>> he swore an oath of loyalty the US
>>>>>>>>> Constitution, not his state.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <LOL> wrong, Dummy. The oath was to the states until 1861.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please support.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://civilwartalk.com/threads/west-point-oath-of-allegiance.120786
>>>>>> /
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It changed several times and the pleadge was, at times, to follow
>>>>>> the orders of the President and/or superior officers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://fredericksburg.com/opinion/letters/letter-confederate-general
>>>>>> s-
>>>>>> didnt-violate-oaths/article_3c4975e6-d8c2-5c3f-941c-930f1550e482.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Location
>>>>>>        Right here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        Jan 16, 2016
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        #22
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        FarawayFriend said:
>>>>>>        Watching a Civil War Journal video on Youtube about Westpoint
>>>>>> classmates who became Civil War enemies I found it remarkable that
>>>>>> up until 1861 the cadets swore the Oath of Allegiance to their home
>>>>>> states. Only in 1861 that was changed and the cadets had to swear
>>>>>> their Oath of Allegiance now to the United States. At that time
>>>>>> there were still a lot of cadets from the southern states attending
>>>>>> the USMA and the change of the oath must have been a tough thing for
>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        ?The day after the firing on Fort Sumter, the United States
>>>>>> Secretary of War, Edwin Stanton, directed that all United States
>>>>>> Military Academy (West Point) cadets must take a "new oath of
>>>>>> allegiance." Previously, each cadet had taken an "oath of allegiance
>>>>>> to his respective State." Now, they were required to "swear feilty*
>>>>>> to the United Statesparamount to any other state, county or
>>>>>> political entity." While the cadets were in full uniform, the new
>>>>>> oath was administered in the chapel in the presence of the Academy
>>>>>> staff. ?
>>>>>>        http://thomaslegion.net/generalroberteleestateloyalty.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        What I'm asking myself is, if the earlier graduates had sworn
>>>>>>        the
>>>>>> oath to their respective states, how could they become regarded as
>>>>>> traitors later when they showed loyalty to their states according to
>>>>>> their oaths?
>>>>>>        This is not meant as a provocation, but to help me understand
>>>>>> better. Thanks in advance for your comments!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        As for details on the oath, see this old thread here:
>>>>>>        http://civilwartalk.com/threads/the-oath-of-allegiance.1035/
>>>>>>        Click to expand...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's the oath Robert E. Lee took on entering West Point:
>>>>>> "I, Robert E. Lee, a cadet born in the state of Virginia, aged 18
>>>>>> years and nine months, do hereby acknowledge to have this day
>>>>>> voluntarily engaged with the consent of my mother to serve in Army
>>>>>> of the United States for the period of five years, unless sooner
>>>>>> discharged by proper authority. And I do promise upon honor that I
>>>>>> will observe and obey the orders of the officers appointed over me,
>>>>>> the rules and articles of war, and the regulations which have been
>>>>>> or may hereafter be established for the government of the Military
>>>>>> Academy"
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>        Beside the point. The issue is the oath that
>>>>> West Point cadets took when GRADUATING, not when
>>>>> they entered as cadets.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, the key point is that Lee and others formally resigned their
>>>> commissions.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>        They had sworn an oath to the
>>> United States, they betrayed that
>>> oath and waged war against the United
>>> States. Isn't that.........treason?
>>>
>>>
>>> treason
>>> -the offense of acting to overthrow one's
>>> government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
>>> -a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign
>>> or to one's state.
>>> -the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach
>>> of faith; treachery.
>>> https://www.dictionary.com/browse/treason
>>
>> In order to answer that question, one must determine to what entity
>> allegiance is owed. Those men who resigned their commissions in the US
>> Army and then "went south" had concluded that their allegiance to their
>> state outweigh any allegiance they might have owed to the national
>> government.
> 
> David, you might ask Hollowman how many Confederate soldiers were ever
> charged or tried for treason. I believe the answer is zero, therefore
> they were not guilty of treason.
> 
> https://sites.duke.edu/lawfire/2020/07/11/were-confederate-soldiers-tried-for-treason/

You likely have a point, but don't expect him to admit it.