Re: Dem Officials Cooking Up Plan to Obliterate Memorial Above Grave of Confederate, Unearth the Deceased Officer

On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 07:23:33 -0500, David Hartung
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On 6/1/21 5:27 AM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>> On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 05:04:37 -0500, David Hartung
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 6/1/21 12:07 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> David Hartung <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/31/21 9:09 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> Blue Lives Matter <andy_franklyn@I_aint_woke.org> wrote in
>>>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 May 2021 16:04:04 -0500, David Hartung
>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/31/21 12:59 PM, Blue Lives Matter wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 May 2021 12:45:17 -0500, Mitchell Holman
>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> David Hartung <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.westernjournal.com/dem-officials-cooking-plan-obliter
>>>>>>>>>>> at e-me morial-grave-confederate-unearth-deceased-officer/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>> Democrats in Virginia are set to dig up the remains of a
>>>>>>>>>>> Confederate Civil War general and tear down a memorial as the
>>>>>>>>>>> American left continues its campaign to rewrite history.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The city of Richmond, Virginia, is currently finalizing plans to
>>>>>>>>>>> disinter the remains of Gen. Ambrose Powell ???A.P.??? Hill
>>>>>>>>>>> and to tear down the monument that honors his life. WRIC-TV
>>>>>>>>>>> reported that, under the orders from city officials, including
>>>>>>>>>>> millennial Democratic Mayor Levar Stoney, Hill will be dug up
>>>>>>>>>>> and erased from the city???s collective memory.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A committee right now is looking over the logistics of that, and
>>>>>>>>>>> is working with descendants of Hill regarding where to relocate
>>>>>>>>>>> his remains. [...]
>>>>>>>>>>> Hill is being canceled 136 years after he was shot through the
>>>>>>>>>>> heart by a Union soldier on April 2, 1865 ??? just weeks
>>>>>>>>>>> before the end of the Civil War. By all accounts, Hill never
>>>>>>>>>>> owned any slaves and never supported slavery. He simply felt
>>>>>>>>>>> compelled to fight for Virginians during a time when many
>>>>>>>>>>> Americans were more concerned about their neighbors and their
>>>>>>>>>>> individual states than their loyalty to the nation as a whole.
>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is a key point, Loyalty to the national government rather
>>>>>>>>>>> than to the state was still a developing concept in 1861.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         When Hill graduated West Point
>>>>>>>>>> he swore an oath of loyalty the US
>>>>>>>>>> Constitution, not his state.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <LOL> wrong, Dummy. The oath was to the states until 1861.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please support.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://civilwartalk.com/threads/west-point-oath-of-allegiance.120786
>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It changed several times and the pleadge was, at times, to follow
>>>>>>> the orders of the President and/or superior officers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://fredericksburg.com/opinion/letters/letter-confederate-general
>>>>>>> s-
>>>>>>> didnt-violate-oaths/article_3c4975e6-d8c2-5c3f-941c-930f1550e482.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Location
>>>>>>>        Right here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        Jan 16, 2016
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        #22
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        FarawayFriend said:
>>>>>>>        Watching a Civil War Journal video on Youtube about Westpoint
>>>>>>> classmates who became Civil War enemies I found it remarkable that
>>>>>>> up until 1861 the cadets swore the Oath of Allegiance to their home
>>>>>>> states. Only in 1861 that was changed and the cadets had to swear
>>>>>>> their Oath of Allegiance now to the United States. At that time
>>>>>>> there were still a lot of cadets from the southern states attending
>>>>>>> the USMA and the change of the oath must have been a tough thing for
>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        ?The day after the firing on Fort Sumter, the United States
>>>>>>> Secretary of War, Edwin Stanton, directed that all United States
>>>>>>> Military Academy (West Point) cadets must take a "new oath of
>>>>>>> allegiance." Previously, each cadet had taken an "oath of allegiance
>>>>>>> to his respective State." Now, they were required to "swear feilty*
>>>>>>> to the United Statesparamount to any other state, county or
>>>>>>> political entity." While the cadets were in full uniform, the new
>>>>>>> oath was administered in the chapel in the presence of the Academy
>>>>>>> staff. ?
>>>>>>>        http://thomaslegion.net/generalroberteleestateloyalty.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        What I'm asking myself is, if the earlier graduates had sworn
>>>>>>>        the
>>>>>>> oath to their respective states, how could they become regarded as
>>>>>>> traitors later when they showed loyalty to their states according to
>>>>>>> their oaths?
>>>>>>>        This is not meant as a provocation, but to help me understand
>>>>>>> better. Thanks in advance for your comments!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        As for details on the oath, see this old thread here:
>>>>>>>        http://civilwartalk.com/threads/the-oath-of-allegiance.1035/
>>>>>>>        Click to expand...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's the oath Robert E. Lee took on entering West Point:
>>>>>>> "I, Robert E. Lee, a cadet born in the state of Virginia, aged 18
>>>>>>> years and nine months, do hereby acknowledge to have this day
>>>>>>> voluntarily engaged with the consent of my mother to serve in Army
>>>>>>> of the United States for the period of five years, unless sooner
>>>>>>> discharged by proper authority. And I do promise upon honor that I
>>>>>>> will observe and obey the orders of the officers appointed over me,
>>>>>>> the rules and articles of war, and the regulations which have been
>>>>>>> or may hereafter be established for the government of the Military
>>>>>>> Academy"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        Beside the point. The issue is the oath that
>>>>>> West Point cadets took when GRADUATING, not when
>>>>>> they entered as cadets.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, the key point is that Lee and others formally resigned their
>>>>> commissions.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        They had sworn an oath to the
>>>> United States, they betrayed that
>>>> oath and waged war against the United
>>>> States. Isn't that.........treason?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> treason
>>>> -the offense of acting to overthrow one's
>>>> government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
>>>> -a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign
>>>> or to one's state.
>>>> -the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach
>>>> of faith; treachery.
>>>> https://www.dictionary.com/browse/treason
>>>
>>> In order to answer that question, one must determine to what entity
>>> allegiance is owed. Those men who resigned their commissions in the US
>>> Army and then "went south" had concluded that their allegiance to their
>>> state outweigh any allegiance they might have owed to the national
>>> government.
>> 
>> David, you might ask Hollowman how many Confederate soldiers were ever
>> charged or tried for treason. I believe the answer is zero, therefore
>> they were not guilty of treason.
>> 
>> https://sites.duke.edu/lawfire/2020/07/11/were-confederate-soldiers-tried-for-treason/
>
>You likely have a point, but don't expect him to admit it.

Mitchell is only interested in 'facts' that support his dearly-held
biases.

He never changes. Same BS year after year.