Re: The Everyday Misery of Life Under Israeli Occupation

David Hartung <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]: 

> On 5/23/21 10:36 PM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>> On Sun, 23 May 2021 13:08:46 -0500, Mitchell Holman
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> David Hartung <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> On 5/23/21 8:56 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> David Hartung <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/22/21 8:56 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>> David Hartung <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/22/21 2:22 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>> An eviction in East Jerusalem lies at the center of a conflict
>>> that
>>>>>>>>> led to war between Israel and Hamas. But for millions of
>>>>>>>>> Palestinians, the routine indignities of occupation are part
>>>>>>>>> of 
>>>>> daily
>>>>>>>>> life.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> By David M. Halbfinger and Adam Rasgon
>>>>>>>>> May 22, 2021
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> JERUSALEM — Muhammad Sandouka built his home in the shadow
>>>>>>>>> of 
>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Temple Mount before his second son, now 15, was born.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They demolished it together, after Israeli authorities decided
>>> that
>>>>>>>>> razing it would improve views of the Old City for tourists.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mr. Sandouka, 42, a countertop installer, had been at work
>>>>>>>>> when an inspector confronted his wife with two options: Tear
>>>>>>>>> the house 
>>> down,
>>>>>>>>> or the government would not only level it but also bill the
>>>>> Sandoukas
>>>>>>>>> $10,000 for its expenses.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Such is life for Palestinians living under Israel’s
>>>>>>>>> occupation: always dreading the knock at the front door.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The looming removal of six Palestinian families from their
>>>>>>>>> homes 
>>> in
>>>>>>>>> East Jerusalem set off a round of protests that helped ignite
>>>>>>>>> the latest war between Israel and Gaza. But to the roughly
>>>>>>>>> three 
>>> million
>>>>>>>>> Palestinians living in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, which
>>>>> Israel
>>>>>>>>> captured in the 1967 war and has controlled through decades of
>>>>> failed
>>>>>>>>> peace talks, the story was exceptional only because it
>>>>>>>>> attracted 
>>> an
>>>>>>>>> international spotlight.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For the most part, they endure the frights and indignities of
>>>>>>>>> the Israeli occupation in obscurity.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Even in supposedly quiet periods, when the world is not paying
>>>>>>>>> attention, Palestinians from all walks of life routinely
>>> experience
>>>>>>>>> exasperating impossibilities and petty humiliations,
>>>>>>>>> bureaucratic controls that force agonizing choices, and the
>>>>>>>>> fragility and 
>>> cruelty
>>>>>>>>> of life under military rule, now in its second half-century.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/22/us/israel-gaza-conflict.html
>>>>>>>>> ? 
>>>>> action
>>>>>>>>> =click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Israel stole the West Bank.  Its occupation of it is illegal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Israel took the West Bank in a defensive war, and their
>>>>>>>> occupation 
>>> is
>>>>>>>> both legal and moral.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        Israel started the war, it was not "defensive"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Israel Launches Preemptive Strike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On June 5, 1967, Israel was isolated, but its military
>>>>>>> commanders had conceived a brilliant war strategy. The
>>>>>>> entire Israeli Air Force, with the exception of just 12
>>>>>>> fighters assigned to defend Israeli air space, took off
>>>>>>> at 7:14 a.m. in Operation Moked (aka Operation Focus)
>>>>>>> with the intent of bombing Egyptian airfields while the
>>>>>>> Egyptian pilots were eating breakfast.By 11:05 a.m.,
>>>>>>> 180 Egyptian fighter planes were destroyed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/background-and-overview-six-d
>>>>>>> ay- 
>>>>> war
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read the article again. Israel was surrounded by vastly superior
>>> forces
>>>>>> who had vowed to exterminate the nation of Israel, and no one was
>>>>> coming
>>>>>> to their aid. The war was defensive.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>       The first military action was Israel
>>>>> attacking Egypt, even the Israeli's admit
>>>>> they started it.
>>>>
>>>> Three armies, comprising a force of about double everything Israel
>>> could
>>>> put in the field, were preparing to invade Israel. What is more,
>>>> the majority of Israeli forces were reservists, instead of the
>>>> regular fielded by the Arabs. Should Israel have waited, or should
>>>> they have done what they did.
>>>
>>>
>>>      Your admission that Israel started the war is noted.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> By any rational thought process, the Israelis were
>>>> fighting a defensive war.
>>>>
>>>
>>>      Wasn't that Hitler's justification, "Poland
>>> is massing troops on our border, we had to act"?
>> 
>> The Germans manufactured an attack by Poland on a German radio
>> station to justify the attack. Besides, we know Poland was not
>> preparing to attack.
>> 
>> Israels enemies were preparing to attack and Israel was justified in
>> preempting the attack.
> 
> In preempting, the leaders of Israel may well have saved their nation 
> from utter destruction.
> 


   By using the word preempting you are 
admitting that Israel (regardless of 
justifications) started the war.