Re: It's Time to Stigmatize Some People Again

On Nov 10, 2025 at 6:54:44 PM MST, "ALB" wrote
<[email protected]>:

> On 10 Nov 2025 22:34:25 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2025 at 3:07:40 PM MST, "pothead" wrote
>> <[email protected]>:
>> 
>>> On 2025-11-10, useapen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> There it was this morning, plain as day. It was a screenshot of a woman
>>>> going off about how her food stamps were cut off, the $1,000 per month she
>>>> and her family supposedly get from the government, juxtaposed against her
>>>> being called out by someone else for hair extensions, expensive trips to
>>>> the nail salon, and tattoos. In short, she wastes money on unnecessary
>>>> things and then demands money from the government to support herself.
>>>> 
>>>> She's squandering money on luxuries while relying on the taxpayers to fund
>>>> her groceries for anywhere between four and seven people in her household.
>>>> 
>>>> And worse, there's no sense of shame among many of these people. There's
>>>> no concept that maybe they should keep their heads down and just be
>>>> thankful for what they've gotten.
>>>> 
>>>> Instead, many tried to brag about what all they'd do if they didn't get
>>>> SNAP money. They threatened violence and got away with it.
>>>> 
>>>> There used to be a stigma for being a welfare recipient, and while I get
>>>> that it's not always fair to stigmatize people for temporary setbacks, too
>>>> many people are still making a lifestyle based on government largesse.
>>>> 
>>>> These people are too comfortable doing so and are too demanding to be
>>>> permitted to go about their lives unchallenged.
>>>> 
>>>> People who refuse to work, who maintain large households and exist off of
>>>> taxpayer money, shouldn't be accepted. They shouldn't be tolerated. They
>>>> should be demeaned and mocked as the leeches they are.
>>>> 
>>>> When I was younger, this happened. It was considered mean to do, but it at
>>>> least meant those who got welfare in some form at least kept quiet about
>>>> it. Many were made to feel a sense of shame about it, which often led them
>>>> to take steps to get off of it and to pay their own way. Others were too
>>>> damn lazy to care, though, so reforms had to be made by implementing work
>>>> requirements.
>>>> 
>>>> But those requirements are so minor that recipients are getting off easy.
>>>> 
>>>> For those of you who may not remember, back during the reform debate, some
>>>> literally thought they were entitled to welfare money as their due. That
>>>> hasn't changed, and that's why these people need to be stigmatized. They
>>>> need to be made to feel bad about the position they have put themselves
>>>> in.
>>>> 
>>>> And it's not just the welfare queens, either.
>>>> 
>>>> There are a lot of people who are in positions due to their own decisions
>>>> who somehow think they deserve special treatment. You majored in Lesbian
>>>> Fruit Bat Studies in college, and you can't get a job? No wonder you
>>>> can't. You've proven you're too irresponsible to be trusted with your own
>>>> oxygen supply, much less anything that requires the least bit of
>>>> responsibility beyond putting on clothes to cover your reproductive parts.
>>>> 
>>>> You see racism everywhere around you, and that's why you're an a**? Maybe
>>>> what you chalk up to racism is because you're an insufferable piece of
>>>> filth, and people don't care about your ethnicity, just that you're a
>>>> horrible human being.
>>>> 
>>>> Communist? Enough said, mockery and laughter to follow.
>>>> 
>>>> Too many people get away with being terrible in various ways. We need to
>>>> stigmatize these people for exactly what they are: Con artists, deadbeats,
>>>> and pathetic excuses for human beings barely qualified to turn oxygen into
>>>> carbon dioxide.
>>>> 
>>>> Sure, there's a line there. Each of ours might be a little different, but
>>>> there's a big difference between a disabled veteran who can't work versus
>>>> someone really upset that our tax dollars won't be available to fund their
>>>> eyebrow waxing. Those who cross that line need to be the subject of scorn,
>>>> if for no other reason than to make it loudly apparent that it's
>>>> unacceptable to do that when you can work.
>>>> 
>>>> Do enough of that, shame people into cleaning up their lives on their own,
>>>> without expecting someone to do it for them, and we really will make
>>>> America great again.
>>>> 
>>>> https://townhall.com/columnists/tomknighton/2025/11/07/its-time-to-
>>>> stigmatize-some-people-again-n2666120
>> 
>> This rant spreads old welfare myths. SNAP doesn’t pay $1,000 a month to
>> individuals, can’t be spent on tattoos or nails, and most recipients already
>> work. Shaming poor families doesn’t make them more self-sufficient — it just
>> fuels resentment and misinformation. Poverty isn’t a moral failure, and
>> mocking people who need help says more about the accuser than about those
>> struggling to eat.
>> 
>>> 
>>> This type of scam is quite prevelant and it crosses all ethnic backgrounds.
>>> These days scamming the system, which is very easy to do if you know how, is
>>> worn as a badge of honor.
>>> NOT by the people who really need assistance but by the leeches and grifters
>>> who are able to work but refuse to or who collect government checks and work
>>> tax
>>> free off the books.
>>> 
>>> And it would surprise you how many people with fancy homes, high end cars,
>>> extravegant
>>> vacations are indeed scamming  the system.
>>> Why?
>>> Because it is so darn easy and in the past the government did not do anything
>>> but the most
>>> basic checks for eligibility.
>>> 
>>> That has all changed with the trump administration and the amount of fraud and
>>> waste in
>>> the government assistance programs is staggering. And these are funds that
>>> could be allocated to
>>> people who really need some assistance for whatever reason.
>>> 
>>> Of course if you point this out you will be labeled a bigot, racist and so
>>> forth.
>>> It's the classic tactic of the demonrats.
>>> The old "do you want people to starve?" shtick.
>>> The problem the demonrats have is that the voters are not falling for this
>>> routine anymore and hence
>>> the government shutdown where the demonrats attempted to pull the bigot,
>>> republicans want you to starve
>>> game once again but failed to mention one "minor fact" which is NOBODY wants
>>> people to starve however
>>> the republicans AND the voters do not want to fund welfare, healthcare and so
>>> forth for illegal migrants.
>>> They kept leaving that part out but the voters quickly caught on to the ruse.
>>> And as for medical care, if an illegal is in dire need of medical care, patch
>>> him or her up and once
>>> well enough to travel deport them back to their home country.
>>> 
>>> The system is not designed to accomodate the massive number of invaders that
>>> Biden allowed into the country.
>>> You might want to ask UK and Germany about that one.
>>> It's not sustainable.
>>> 
>>> Laws are in place for a reason. A country without laws that are enforced is no
>>> longer a country but simply a wasteland
>>> run by anarchy.
>>> If the demonrat leftists don't like the laws, vote out the representatives who
>>> support them.
>> 
>> The fraud narrative here is baseless -- verified rates are under 1%. The
>> language about "invaders" and "demonrats" borrows directly from
>> white-supremacist propaganda that paints immigrants and welfare recipients as
>> subhuman threats. Undocumented immigrants can't even get federal welfare
>> benefits. As I have noted, you right wingers, and especially you white
>> supremacists, are all about tribalism and scapegoating -- and you (you
>> personally) prove it time and time again.
> 
> You sound like an NPR brainwashed liberal.

I look to evidence, reason, logic and care about equal rights and the
environment. So, sure, most people categorize that as "liberal".

> While your points might have been somewhat true 20 years ago that is
> no longer the case.
> While I don't support calling democrats demonrats labeling illegal
> migrants as invaders is accurate.

Nope.

> What term would you use?

Undocumented workers -- ones who improve our economy and are needed. Still we
should make a better system. The current black market system is insane.
> 
> https://www.whitehouse.gov/criminals/

The White House does have criminals -- starting with the felon who is the
president.
> 
> <https://youtu.be/ezNmAv1ohCo?si=kX1SXbnAFs-6ZqQm>
> 
> <https://moneywise.com/news/minnesota-removes-800-medicaid-providers-from-system-in-effort-to-tackle-systemic-fraud-heres-how-itll-impact-access-to-care>
> 
> <https://www.middletownpress.com/news/article/medicaid-fraud-ramon-apellaniz-sentenced-21138478.php>
> 
> The list is endless.

Statistically citizens are more violent. You are looking at appeals to
emotion.

> So stop quoting your progressive cherry picked stats and start waking
> up because people who work hard to earn money are fed up with those on
> the take scamming the system.

You are against stats... and have nothing to counter them. As you said, I am
"liberal", meaning I use evidence, reason, logic and care about equal rights
and the environment
> 
> Public assistance is there as a safety net for people who,by no fault
> of their own have fallen on hard times.

And yet the president -- a felon -- is in court trying to starve them.

> It's not designed to support 3 generations of able bodied citizens on
> welfare.

Our current system of funding the rich and demonizing the poor is irrational
and immoral.

-- 
It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.