Re: Summary of findings – 2017 iMac (iMac18 ,3) with Fusion Drive issues
"David B." <[email protected]>
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On 31/01/2026 16:46, David B. wrote: > On 31/01/2026 05:24, Paul wrote: >> On Thu, 1/29/2026 6:15 AM, David B. wrote: >>> Summary of findings – 2017 iMac (iMac18,3) with Fusion Drive issues >>> >>> I’m running a 2017 iMac (iMac18,3) which originally shipped with a >>> 2TB Fusion Drive. >>> >>> Based on behaviour over time, my assessment is that the SSD portion >>> of the Fusion Drive has failed, while the 2TB spinning HDD remains >>> functional. >>> >>> Current setup and observations: >>> >>> macOS Ventura is running from an external 1TB SSD and is stable and >>> performs well >>> >>> Linux Mint 22.3 is installed on the internal 2TB HDD (spinner) and >>> also runs reliably >>> >>> The same hardware shows instability only when macOS interacts with >>> the Fusion Drive configuration >>> >>> Kernel panics previously observed (including namespace 2 / SIGBUS- >>> style errors) ceased once macOS was moved entirely off the internal >>> Fusion Drive >>> >>> This strongly suggests a partial Fusion Drive failure, which macOS/ >>> APFS handles poorly when one physical store (the SSD tier) becomes >>> unavailable or unreliable. Linux, treating the HDD as a simple block >>> device, is unaffected. >>> >>> Diagnostic/benchmark tools show reasonable performance for the active >>> boot device, but they do not expose intermittent Fusion metadata or >>> tiering failures. >>> >>> Conclusion: >>> >>> CPU, RAM, GPU, and logic board appear sound >>> >>> Internal HDD is serviceable >>> >>> Fusion SSD blade (or its metadata) is the likely root cause >>> >>> Running macOS from an external SSD and Linux from the internal HDD is >>> a stable and practical workaround >>> >>> Posting this in case it helps others with similar 2017 iMac/Fusion >>> Drive symptoms. >>> >> >> You'll need the kit of materials to adhesive the front glass back on, >> after you cut it away to get inside the unit. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNlJRTRC_GI >> >> They depop the connector, on the motherboards >> that don't have Fusion as a feature. That video still wasn't >> good, in terms of showing where all the storage connectors are. >> >> Wiki has a description, but you really need to read some of the >> references >> to see how it works. It's tiering and doesn't have sufficient notions of >> RAID to be called RAID. You can artificially promote files, so they >> end up on the SSD. It also does not look necessarily, like an Intel >> technology (like SRT). It's not just some rebranding. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_Drive >> >> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/achieving-fusion-with- >> a-service-training-doc-ars-tears-open-apples-fusion-drive/ >> >> It's a shame this will achieve a "Swiss Cheese" on a failure. I just >> think features like this, and just about all the Intel attempts to >> do similar, are garbage. Why ? Because the amount of support questions, >> hair loss on failure, who gives a fuck if something is fast, if it >> isn't reliable ? Reliability comes first, fast comes second. There's no >> way we want customers asking AI for advice on "how to step out of >> a pot of boiling water". Just don't go into the boiling pot in >> the first place, that's my advice. >> >> One repair tech on Reddit, said he'd done lots of Fusion repairs, >> but he'd never had to open the one that just comes with some >> SSD and nothing else. So he doesn't know what the connector looks >> like, from not having to do maintenance on the actual good machine >> to own. >> >> Doing tiered, preferentially writing everything to the faster >> drive all the time, doing promotions and demotions, that puts a lot of >> wear >> on the fast drive. And really, if you were going to do that, >> the fast tier should have been Optane. As it could handle >> a lot more write cycles than NAND. It runs a bit warm, so it >> would have to be laid out to share a bit of cooling air. > > Thank you so very much for your comments, Paul. > > I'm not sure if I've asked you before. Have you ever explored here? > > https://x704.net/bbs/ > > Maybe it's another place where you could share your invaluable knowledge. Has anyone else discovered the joys of x704? -- Kind regards, David