Re: CVE-2022-38392: 5400 RPM hard drives resonant-frequency attack with music video
Paul <[email protected]>
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On Sun, 6/14/2026 9:24 PM, VanguardLH wrote: > "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> NVD - CVE-2022-38392 >> <https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2022-38392> >> >> Current Description >> >> Certain 5400 RPM hard drives, for laptops and other PCs in approximately >> 2005 and later, allow physically proximate attackers to cause a denial >> of service (device malfunction and system crash) via a >> resonant-frequency attack with the audio signal from the Rhythm Nation >> music video. A reported product is Seagate STDT4000100 763649053447. >> >> Related: >> >> 17 年前 OpenAI 工程師舊片翻紅 發現對著 HDD 大叫會令速度大幅減慢 - 電腦領域 >> <https://www.hkepc.com/26012/? >> >> Shouting in the Datacenter - YouTube >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDacjrSCeq4> > > But couldn't adjacent 5400 RPM HDDs generate vibrations at frequencies > to cause the same effect? Be interesting to see what effect the same > testing (for the yell test) would disclose if the 5400 RPM HDDs were > physically separate into separate racks with each rack using vibration > dampeners. > Disk drives vary in price considerably, and what you get inside depends on that price. We could start with a WD Blue. That's a very basic drive. It would have a voice coil, but whatever other head actuators it has, would be guesswork. The better drives have three positioners. The voice coil is one of those. There are two others nearer to the head. One of the fine positioners is piezoelectric and driven by a pattern generated via a DSP. There is a thermal actuator for vertical movement. The head moves 1 nm closer to the platter, on a write. And a thermal element was used for that. Even a WD Blue would have one. The WD Blue has no high fly detect. I know this, because using a hex e4itor and "getting close" as in adjacent to a CRC error, I could see a sector which was written with "stale" data. At that point, the head was too high to write anything, so the CRC on that block was still good. The adjacent sector had a CRC error, as the write current was just enough to foul up the contents. One way of detecting a high-fly event, is with an analysis of the write current magnitude. If the head is at normal height, the write current has one look to it. And using a DSP, they can spot when the current flow is outside of an acceptance envelope. Any drive slightly more expensive than the WD Blue should have that. At some point, the number of actuators is called for by the data density, and even without vibration protection mechanisms, you'd need that degree of precision for the drive to work. So if they made a WD Blue 24TB, then you would expect it has some of the kit that an Enterprise drive would have. You will notice some drive datasheets show BER 1E-14 and BER 1E-15, and this implies something about the kit inside the drive. A good drive can accept the vibration of eight or sixteen neighbors (operating at nominally the same frequency). Some of the correction mechanisms might be "predictive", others are "reactive". We would expect our WD Blue to be totally reactive and gutless. That's because no expense is wasted on making it a better product. The HGST site, could take patent information and do a writeup for laymen, explaining how a certain thing would be a benefit. Since HGST was bought by WDC, there's less and less reason for tutorial articles to appear. Some of the WDC drives are "obviously" HGST, because of the style of the housing. No attempt was made to make all the hardware look the same. And some product lines are coming only from WDC factories, others coming from HGST factories. It's just possible that the WDC factory has less Helium as an input material (more air breathers coming from there), Whereas the HGST would have a high percentage of two-lid Helium drives. If yelling at a drive inside a locked server room in an Enterprise environment, actually worked to disturb any of the modern kit in there, I would be "surprised", considering the amount of tech-junk that is inside an $800 drive. You can tell a quality drive, because it "hums more". the hum is coming from the stage that controls fine correction and the hum should be proportional to the rotation rate (as the correction pattern is applied over and over again). A WD Blue on the other hand, it would be a question of what it wasn't sensitive to. And especially for a 2,3,4TB drive where the areal density leaves room for cutting corners. The speed doesn't have to be 5400. It can be 5900 or 5300 or the drive can even modulate the speed according to activity. A 7200 RPM drive is likely to be 7200 RPM, but some of the datasheets are <cough> mis-labeled, and you cannot believe everything you read. I've caught transcription errors in datasheets, where two different datasheets (for the same product), disagree on the specs. It's a business just chock-full of scumbags :-/ WDC declared they were "sold out for 2026". Yet, batches of "smaller" drives have shown up at my computer store. It means they are still arranging the staff to manually build lots of the non-AI-era drives, as it suits them. I would guess this is a measure of their confidence in the bubble bursting and them having to face hostile customers screwed-over by this era. While today, I might be able to buy an 8TB drive at my store, it might be 40% more than January. Mother Teresa is not running this business. Paul