Re: Tutorial: Query the Apple database with Python for your access point BSSID

Arlen,

>> And lets not forget, I asked you a simple Yes/No question about it which 
>> you still have not answered :
...
>   f. This derived linkage is not present in Apple's data itself.

So, your initial accusation that the contents of Apples database constitutes 
to a privacy violation is false.

Kiddo, thats what I've been trying to tell you all along, but you have been 
dancing around, trying to evade having to say that.  You infact still do. 
:-)

> 2. How the location association works
>   a. Apples WPS database stores BSSID-to-location pairs.
>   b. In practice, these coordinates almost always correspond to a specific 
> building.
>   c. That building is associated with an owner through public
>      property records (in the USA anyway)

In short, you need to access *other* publicly available databases to *try 
to* link a BSSID to a specific person.

"Try to" as it will still fail when muliple persons live close together 
(appartment building, GPS is *very* bad at altitude measurement, or even a 
row of appartments against each other), or when Apple has "seeded" those 
coordinates, randomly shifting them away from the actual ones.  Just a few 
meters (inside the precision tolerance) is enough to make them point to a 
neighbour.

Kiddo, you are WILLFULLY IGNORANT, as you refuse to consider the 
implications of what you try to claim.

But ok, now you have found a *random person*.  What good does that do ?

My question still stands :

[quote=me]
So, if I pick a name than you can, assiming he's got a BSSID with him, tell
me where that person is traveling ?   Yes or no ?   And ofcourse, explain
your answer. :-)
[/quote]

If you can answer that one *than* you perhaps have something to complain 
about.

... but than the question is : complain to whom ?    Why have you been 
accusing Apple of spilling the beans when those "public property records" 
are spilling /whole bags/ of them ?

Also, I've been telling you that getting personal information - like 
location information - can be bought by anyone who is willing to spend a 
buck.

But *if* you can find the home-addres of *a specific person* - which is not 
a given - and from there the BSSID of devices owned by that person - which 
is also not a given - you have merely found /another way/ to track that 
person.  Congratulations.


And another question you have refused to answer : how does Apples database 
get the real-time coordinates of those BSSIDs (so you can track their 
movment) ?     If its not the persons own devices that upload them, than how 
does that work ?

... An when a persons own device is doing it, why not point at that person 
(you?) for being a dumbass for not understanding how his phone works.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser