Re: Docsis 3.1 modem

Robert Baer wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>> Robert Baer wrote:
>>> Paul wrote:
>>
>>>> https://www.newegg.com/netgear-cm1150v-100nas-modem-router-combo/p/N82E16825124027 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> * NO WiFi. Nice tho, 4 Ethernet and 2 telephones.
>>>   Believe i need WiFi as in shadowland and "smart" phone BAERly works 
>>> with one bar.
>>>
>>> * Talk about incompatibility..I remember a few years ago i fiddled 
>>> around with Google Maps, satellite view of 3928 14th Ave SE looking 
>>> at the round pavers by the management office.
>>>   Resolution maybe 1.5 pixels in WinXP and 4 pixels in Win7.
>>>
>>>   Now, same equipment, same OS; "resolution" if you want to call it 
>>> that is at best one quarter of the remembered original.
>>>
>>>   And one of the "informative" e-mails from Xfinity said i am paying 
>>> for more bandwidth and should consider "upgrading" to take advantage; 
>>> offering 3 Docsis 3.1 modems as choices.
>>>
>>>   Methinks they purposely throttled the bandwidth to give excuse for 
>>> "upgrading" to Docsis 3.1.
>>>
>>>   Naturally, they rent them out..at a higher FEE than previous 
>>> grabrate of $10/mo.
>>>
>>>   Cannot win for losing.
>>
>> Comcast has a list by the way.
>>
>> This will be the most valuable link in the posting.
>>
>> https://approvedmodemlist.com/comcast-xfinity-approved-modems/
>>
>> *******
>>
>> This page has some, I'm assuming, competing models.
>>
>> https://www.netgear.com/home/wifi/modems/cm1150v
>>
>> 2.5Gbps Max download, Voice, DOCSIS 3.1 (CM2050V) ~$300
>> 2.5Gbps Max download,        DOCSIS 3.1 (CM2000)
>> 2  Gbps Max download,        DOCSIS 3.1 (CM1200)
>> 2  Gbps Max download, Voice, DOCSIS 3.1 (CM1150V)  $249.99
>> 1  Gbps Max download,        DOCSIS 3.1 (CM1000)
> *
>    So, only 2 out of these magical 5 support my starving telephone.
>    Betcha the DOCSIS 3.1 Cable Modem (CM2050V) Nighthawk® Multi-Gig 
> 2.5Gbps Cable Modem for XFinity Voice has NO WiFi.
> 
>    Now, i do not care about the speed on the WiFi, that is to support my 
> "smart" phone which needs 3+bars to work reasonably well and i am lucky 
> to get 1 bar almost anywhere.
>    It is an Android meaning crap for calls; iPhone works ni same 
> environment and reads as if 5+ bars.
> 
>    Phone switches over to WiFi for calls.
> 
> ** Interesting; from that approved list there IS one that supports phone 
> and WiFi*: NETGEAR C7100V...*but does that "WiFi Router" mean i gots tew 
> $$pay$$ for yet another box for Tx/Rx air time?
> 
> 
>    Then there are apparent contenders from the full list:
> ARRIS      SVG2482AC ♦  24×8    1.0 Gbps
> ARRIS      TG862R       8×4    343 Mbps
> Motorola  MT7711       24×8    1 Gbps
> NETGEAR      C7100V       24×8    960 Mbps
> 
>    Well, am i glad that i am a liar here, there seems to be at least one 
> cable modem that supports a telephone and WiFi.
>    So (later) some research on those.
> 
> **** THANKS ****
> 
>>
>> https://www.netgear.com/media/CM1150V_tcm148-72915.pdf    Can't see 
>> Wifi...
>>
>> I don't know how I got the idea it had Wifi. I was
>> browsing some third-party summary sight and it was
>> claiming 3x3 + 4x4 MIMO. But it's not there.
> * Yeah; had the same impression until i did some digging.
> 
>>
>> cm1150v
>>
>>    "4 Gigabit Ethernet ports for faster access & downloads - with
>>     port aggregation where 2 ports can combine to double maximum wired 
>> speeds"
>>
>> *************************************************************************
>>
>> One of the "questions and answers" on the previous unit, claims
>> the 4x1GbE connectors are for link aggregation (teaming mode) connection
>> to other equipment). This one on the other hand, has a *2.5Gbit/sec* 
>> standard
>> of Ethernet connector on it, thus the goofy choice of a yellow connector.
>> You would need a 2.5Gbit/sec switch to distribute the flow from
>> this, without limitations. The link aggregation idea of the previous
>> unit, limits a download to "only" 1 gigabit per second (because that's
>> how teaming works, only the aggregate, the total of all connections
>> is higher than a gigabit worth). With teaming, the Speedtest.net
>> would only be 1 gigabit, not 2 gigabits.
> * What is this bit on color? All of the specs I have seen say "black" 
> and by golly, the case is painted black.
>    [making fun of the case color..now know 'color" in that situation 
> means cable color]
> 
>>
>> https://www.netgear.com/home/wifi/modems/cm2050v
>>
>> It is $299 and has no battery backup, and is for Xfinity/Comcast.
> * Battery backup...my Technicolor ha a place for an expensive battery 
> for backup, and Comcast claims the battery does not last; neither giving 
> hours, nor lifetime.
>    So, what is the big deal, just plug it into your overburdened UPS.
> 
>>
>> https://www.bestbuy.com/site/netgear-nighthawk-32-x-8-docsis-3-1-voice-cable-modem/6425815.p?skuId=6425815&intl=nosplash 
>>
>>
>> https://www.netgear.com/media/CM2050V_tcm148-96329.pdf
>>
>> ************************************************************************** 
>>
>>
>> https://www.commscope.com/product-type/broadband-video-devices/broadband-devices/docsis-3.1-gateways-modems/ 
>>
>>
>> Probably this one is too new.
>>
>> Seeing as the 9442 did not appear at retail, what are the
>> odds that the 9452 will appear at retail.
>>
>> https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20200923005104/en/CommScope-Introduces-Two-New-DOCSIS-3.1-Home-Gateways-with-Wi-Fi-6 
>>
>>
>>     The TG9452 telephony gateway
>>     enables the delivery of data, voice and video services, <===
>>     while the DG9450 gateway supports data and video.
>>
>>     Both have 4×4 802.11ax dual-band wireless radios, offering superior
>>     Wi-Fi performance in dense environments, with high data rates over
>>     Wi-Fi at an increased range. For multigigabit connectivity around
>>     the house, both provide three Ethernet ports, one supporting
>>     2.5Gbps Ethernet, and a MoCA 2.0 port for home networking.
>>
>> I can find one reference to it here, so maybe it was only offered as a 
>> rental.
>> The 11Mbps implies the very lowest 2.4GHz Wifi standard is working
>> for this user.
>>
>> https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Wireless-and-Networking/Slow-connection-speed-on-WIFI-and-ethernet/td-p/7524747 
>>
>>
>> ************************************************************************** 
>>
>>
>> That leaves connecting the CM2050V modem to a separate router.
>>
>> https://www.netgear.com/home/wifi/routers/rax200
>>
>> Now, this seems to be out of stock. And out of their minds.
>> It's possible in non-COVID times, this might be slightly lower
>> in price, but probably not by that much. Tri-band to me, suggests
>> a unit that support mesh extension so that multiple routers
>> can be set up in a really big McMansion and the backhaul between
>> them is done on the top band, leaving the other two (2.4GHz, 5GHz)
>> to connect to clients.
>>
>> NETGEAR Nighthawk RAX200 - Wireless router
>> 5-port switch - GigE, 2.5 GigE, 802.11ax - 802.11a/b/g/n/ac/ax - 
>> Tri-Band   $602
>>
>> https://www.newegg.com/p/0E6-0019-00436
>>
>>     "Ships from United Kingdom. Most customers receive within 7-32 
>> days." <=== Beuler???
>>
>> So for $300 + $600, you can has a buzzword compliant, power wasting,
>> steaming pile of technology.
>>
>> https://c1.neweggimages.com/ProductImageCompressAll1280/33-222-017-V02.jpg 
>>
>>
>> So the yellow port on the RAX200 would plug into the yellow port
>> on the CM2050V.
>>
>> There are five output ports. Four GbE ports, two of which support teaming
>> (which is a "who cares really" technology). The fifth port is a 2.5GbE 
>> port,
>> which allows the whole bandwidth of the modem to be offered in its
>> entirety, to a 2.5GbE (RealTek) equipped brand-new PC.
>>
>> The CM1150V is more practical, less Star Trek Enterprise. But
>> the connections for the average user would be GbE ones, suited
>> to most existing PCs. Not a lot of PCs have 2.5GbE ports as
>> a standard feature. You can likely find retail motherboards
>> to build your own 2.5Gbit/sec interfacing PC. There were some
>> plugin cards that offered 2.5G/10G wired connections for $100 or so.
>> The company was bought out, and there was no WinXP driver to be
>> using the card in a WinXP PC. Likely Win7/8/10 material for
>> that particular card. That's one of the reasons I didn't buy any.
>>
>> *******
>>
>> In conclusion, you have the master list in the very first
>> link above, and can sally forth on your search.
>>
>> Be aware, that Wifi is quite quite sensitive to greenfield
>> and legacy equipment and the need to back off to keep
>> all devices happy. The chances of getting anywhere near
>> the top Wifi rates are zero. If you lived on a farm,
>> were miles from any neighbor, had expunged every stinking
>> computer you owned, got a machine with an Intel AX200,
>> *maybe* it would work at some glorious speed. Otherwise,
>> you're just delusional.
>>
>> Part of me picking the RAX200, was so there'd be at least
>> one port with 2.5GbE on it as an output. And most realistically,
>> you would connect a *third* box, a 2.5GbE in to (4) 2.5GbE out,
>> to get 2.5GbE service to all the PCs with 2.5GbE capability.
>> I would select a cheaper Wifi box with regular GbE ports
>> if not trying to achieve Speedtest.net test conditions.
>>
>> You can add 2.5GbE wired, to existing PCs having PCIe slots. $30
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Gigabit-Ethernet-Express-Controller-Converter/dp/B07RF4SZ8R 
>>
>>
>>     Paul
> 
> PS: that bit about the pavers seen at 4 pixels years ago using Win7 and 
> now gone; the present resolution is worse than i thought; we have been 
> dumbed down by a factor of 8 as far as i can tell.
>    If this crap continues, we may need multi-TerrorHertz computers to 
> get TTY speed results at the keyboard/console.

* After wasting many hours of research, it seems i am NOT a liar; the 
ONLY approved cable modem that supports voice and WiFi is the Netgear 
C7100V, and the damn thing is Docsis 3.0!
   So why should i #pend money for a modem that does what my Technicolor 
does?

    Gurr!