Re: DAG of all general knowledge that can be expressed in Language
"Chris M. Thomasson" <[email protected]>
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On 7/1/2026 12:31 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: > On 07/01/2026 10:57 AM, olcott wrote: >> On 7/1/2026 12:00 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>> On 07/01/2026 07:59 AM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 7/1/2026 7:13 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>>> On 06/30/2026 08:01 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> On 6/30/2026 9:47 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>>>>> On 06/30/2026 10:36 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>>>>>> On 06/30/2026 07:53 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 6/30/2026 8:23 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>>>>>>>> So, if you want to know more about my theory, which is an account >>>>>>>>>> of reason, and for Foundations, then I'd suggest first making for >>>>>>>>>> yourself a "universal education", then finding resolutions to the >>>>>>>>>> "paradoxes" of mathematical logic, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> % This sentence is not true. >>>>>>>>> ?- LP = not(true(LP)). >>>>>>>>> LP = not(true(LP)). >>>>>>>>> ?- unify_with_occurs_check(LP, not(true(LP))). >>>>>>>>> false. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Olcott's Minimal Type Theory >>>>>>>>> G ↔ ¬Prov_PA(⌜G⌝) >>>>>>>>> Directed Graph of evaluation sequence >>>>>>>>> 00 ↔ 01 02 >>>>>>>>> 01 G >>>>>>>>> 02 ¬ 03 >>>>>>>>> 03 Prov_PA 04 >>>>>>>>> 04 Gödel_Number_of 01 // cycle indicates no well-founded >>>>>>>>> justification >>>>>>>>> tree exists. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ZFC already handled Russell's Paradox converting set >>>>>>>>> theory into Naive set theory. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It is important to keep computation in the loop >>>>>>>>> because computation exposes the hidden assumptions >>>>>>>>> that math makes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Curry–Howard correspondence >>>>>>>>> In programming language theory and proof theory, >>>>>>>>> the Curry–Howard correspondence is a direct relationship >>>>>>>>> between computer programs and mathematical proofs. >>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curry%E2%80%93Howard_correspondence >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> then revealing the "super-classical" >>>>>>>>>> results of classical mathematics, then for the "extra-ordinary" >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> "great atlas of mathematical independence", then for "higher >>>>>>>>>> mathematics", and quite about "continuity" and "infinity", >>>>>>>>>> then there's also "the physics" after "the logic" and "the >>>>>>>>>> mathematics". >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Curry's poor substitute" at least rejects material implication. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Matters of meaning or the epistemological is a field called >>>>>>>> "semiotics". >>>>>>>> Semantics after syntax is properly logical, that's all. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cycle-detection is a usual routine involving memory and time, the >>>>>>>> resources. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Liar Paradox is just a template of what would be a fallacy: >>>>>>>> two wrongs don't make a right. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> unify_with_occurs_check(and(false(LP), true(LP))) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Two wrongs don't make a right. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Russell's retro-thesis is hypocrisy veiled as authority. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Where's the GUID for "dictionary", or "vocabulary", and what's in >>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>> "Cat" is a word. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's fair to say "the Liar Paradox is false", >>>>>>> then that the negation translates through the copula "is" >>>>>>> to result "this sentence is true", a meaningless, empty tautology >>>>>>> (except as quoted a meaningless, empty, tautology). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It doesn't work on other "paradoxes", though. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Wittgenstein (1937) >>>>>> 'True in Russell's system' means, as was said: >>>>>> proved in Russell's system; and 'false in Russell's >>>>>> system' means: the opposite has been proved >>>>>> in Russell's system >>>>>> >>>>>> Proof Theoretic Semantics almost gets there >>>>>> through an enormously more convoluted process. >>>>>> They almost always utterly avoid any nuance of >>>>>> true. Instead they focus on meaning. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Finlayson's paradox: there are none. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That quote of Wittgenstein's just a weak echo of Leibnitz' >>>>> "principle of >>>>> sufficient reason" about what an inference is. The Tractatus >>>> >>>> Correct reasoning is not correctly evaluated on the >>>> basis of who came up with the ideas. These ideas either >>>> has a sound basis or not. >>>> >>>> It just the same thing that I have been saying fir years. >>>> True on the basis of meaning expressed in language must >>>> have a direct semantic connection to those things in the >>>> directly in the formal system of this language that make it >>>> true. >>>> >>>> (a) Cats are animals >>>> (b) Animals are living things >>>> (c) ∴ Cats are living things >>>> >>>> No jumping outside of the language to a separate model. >>>> >>>>> Logicophilosophicus starts alright then Wittgenstein wimps out while >>>>> being all hot-headed about it later. Russell's favorite philosophers, >>>>> Plotinus after Philo, are early weak nominalist fictionalists, and >>>>> having material implication in their vacuous implicits and so on, >>>>> Chrysippus could throw them from the boat since neither are they >>>>> Pythagoreans. >>>>> >>>>> A much simpler process arrives at a "principle of _thorough_ reason", >>>>> where not only are affirmatory and negatory inferences found, >>>>> also in the diligence any their contradictions. >>>>> >>>> >>>> That is what I just showed. >>>> >>>>> Russell's retro-thesis simply can't make the extra-ordinary go away. >>>>> It's considered a quasi-modal variety of the weaker sort of the >>>>> logicist positivism, which has a stronger variety after a strong >>>>> mathematical platonism which invigorates it as "must be science". >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Old schlock wrapped as new, .... >>>>> >>>> >>>> The only way to obtain a correct foundation of these >>>> things is to reverse-engineer them from first principles. >>>> >>>> If one does not do that then the extraneous baggage >>>> of the differing human perspectives prevent a fully >>>> coherent view. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> That's just syllogism, and makes for constructivism >>> since any sort stipulation, like an axiom, is unfounded. >>> >>> The "axiomless natural deduction" to arrive at "axiomless >>> geometry" and "axiomless arithmetic" is a usual notion that >>> mathematical platonists have, though these days sometimes >>> they call themselves structural realists to not concern >>> dear old Bertrand, then though logicist positivists take >>> that label without fulfilling its definition. >>> >>> >>> Syllogism is subject ordering, and Aristotle reads every >>> syllogism its statements in every order, for example to >>> detect cycles and disambiguate them, which otherwise a >>> linear reader will fail to detect. >>> >>> >>> The "principle of _thorough_ reason" is more than the >>> "principle of 'sufficient' reason", then that in a >>> wider account of a wider, fuller dialectic, what's >>> sound, thorough, fulfilling, and fair. >>> >>> >>> Mentioning something like Prawitz' "inversion principle" >>> and about both the restriction _and_ the recovery, and >>> more than Russell's mere "isolation in significance and >>> significance in isolation", means that restricting (ignoring) >>> the resolution of any and all paradoxes leaves the door ajar >>> just like quasi-modal logic and principle of explosion. >>> >>> >>> So, maybe readers and researchers in foundations should start >>> with outlining the requirements and desiderata of a theory >>> that's constant, consistent, complete, and concrete, >> >> The entire body of knowledge expressed in language >> (a) Encodes all of the empirical "atomic facts" as axioms >> this merges the analytic/synthetic distinction into one >> analytic system. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/analytic-synthetic/ >> >> (b) Provide a finite list of the possible semantic relations >> between/among the elements of (a) and these are specified >> syntactically using a system similar to CycL. >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CycL >> >> (c) This whole thing is stored in a knowledge ontology >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontology_(information_science) >> Hierarchy of simple type theory. >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_type_theory#G%C3%B6del_1944 >> >> Now we have the entire body of general knowledge that >> can be expressed in language as a set of stipulated >> semantic relations between finite strings. >> >>> and see how axiomless natural deduction fulfills that >>> with a comprehensive yet paradox-free account, and >>> that's the usual account since antiquity and even since >>> before recorded times, then it's called "mathematical platonism", >>> since issues of the human condition itself are subjective, >>> and whether Thoth or Hermes Trismagistus has an ankh for reason >>> or spiral for infinity, in at least one account there's both. >>> >>> Thoth -> thought >>> Logos -> logic >>> Ma'at -> math >>> >>> >>> Aristotle won't be made a fool, and more than merely >>> half-Aristotleans have always both prior and posterior accounts. >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > That's not "a priori truth". > > That's just a "convenient" lie to make some system of inference > considered itself compelled complete yet make it slavish while > really it's merely a model of a partial half-account of reason, > that fragmented synthetic pluralism and inconstancy in definition. > > > Adding an element to another element is synthetic > (where did it come from?), partitioning an element > into two is analytic (how was it already there?). > > > The usual account of mathematical platonism is analytic, > the usual account of logicist positivism is synthetic, > they are two different things. > > > Usual accounts of incompleteness like the Hilbert-Bernays paradox > confirm and certify that "logicist positivist nominalist theories" > are at best "merely and completely science". > > Then, the account that it's not a science, is wrong. > > Anybody can have a quite thorough body of knowledge - > if it doesn't change it's considered they stopped learning, > not that there isn't anything left to learn. > > Quit trying to tell people they can't learn, it's insulting. > > Well, we have to remember that Olcott has claimed to be god.