Re: DAG of all general knowledge that can be expressed in Language
Ross Finlayson <[email protected]>
| Newsgroups | sci.logic,sci.math,comp.theory,comp.ai.philosophy |
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On 07/01/2026 12:37 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: > On 7/1/2026 12:31 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >> On 07/01/2026 10:57 AM, olcott wrote: >>> On 7/1/2026 12:00 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>> On 07/01/2026 07:59 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>> On 7/1/2026 7:13 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>>>> On 06/30/2026 08:01 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>> On 6/30/2026 9:47 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>>>>>> On 06/30/2026 10:36 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 06/30/2026 07:53 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 6/30/2026 8:23 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> So, if you want to know more about my theory, which is an >>>>>>>>>>> account >>>>>>>>>>> of reason, and for Foundations, then I'd suggest first making >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> yourself a "universal education", then finding resolutions to >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> "paradoxes" of mathematical logic, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> % This sentence is not true. >>>>>>>>>> ?- LP = not(true(LP)). >>>>>>>>>> LP = not(true(LP)). >>>>>>>>>> ?- unify_with_occurs_check(LP, not(true(LP))). >>>>>>>>>> false. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Olcott's Minimal Type Theory >>>>>>>>>> G ↔ ¬Prov_PA(⌜G⌝) >>>>>>>>>> Directed Graph of evaluation sequence >>>>>>>>>> 00 ↔ 01 02 >>>>>>>>>> 01 G >>>>>>>>>> 02 ¬ 03 >>>>>>>>>> 03 Prov_PA 04 >>>>>>>>>> 04 Gödel_Number_of 01 // cycle indicates no well-founded >>>>>>>>>> justification >>>>>>>>>> tree exists. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ZFC already handled Russell's Paradox converting set >>>>>>>>>> theory into Naive set theory. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It is important to keep computation in the loop >>>>>>>>>> because computation exposes the hidden assumptions >>>>>>>>>> that math makes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Curry–Howard correspondence >>>>>>>>>> In programming language theory and proof theory, >>>>>>>>>> the Curry–Howard correspondence is a direct relationship >>>>>>>>>> between computer programs and mathematical proofs. >>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curry%E2%80%93Howard_correspondence >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> then revealing the "super-classical" >>>>>>>>>>> results of classical mathematics, then for the "extra-ordinary" >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> "great atlas of mathematical independence", then for "higher >>>>>>>>>>> mathematics", and quite about "continuity" and "infinity", >>>>>>>>>>> then there's also "the physics" after "the logic" and "the >>>>>>>>>>> mathematics". >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Curry's poor substitute" at least rejects material implication. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Matters of meaning or the epistemological is a field called >>>>>>>>> "semiotics". >>>>>>>>> Semantics after syntax is properly logical, that's all. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cycle-detection is a usual routine involving memory and time, the >>>>>>>>> resources. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Liar Paradox is just a template of what would be a fallacy: >>>>>>>>> two wrongs don't make a right. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> unify_with_occurs_check(and(false(LP), true(LP))) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Two wrongs don't make a right. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Russell's retro-thesis is hypocrisy veiled as authority. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Where's the GUID for "dictionary", or "vocabulary", and what's in >>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>> "Cat" is a word. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's fair to say "the Liar Paradox is false", >>>>>>>> then that the negation translates through the copula "is" >>>>>>>> to result "this sentence is true", a meaningless, empty tautology >>>>>>>> (except as quoted a meaningless, empty, tautology). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It doesn't work on other "paradoxes", though. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wittgenstein (1937) >>>>>>> 'True in Russell's system' means, as was said: >>>>>>> proved in Russell's system; and 'false in Russell's >>>>>>> system' means: the opposite has been proved >>>>>>> in Russell's system >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Proof Theoretic Semantics almost gets there >>>>>>> through an enormously more convoluted process. >>>>>>> They almost always utterly avoid any nuance of >>>>>>> true. Instead they focus on meaning. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Finlayson's paradox: there are none. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> That quote of Wittgenstein's just a weak echo of Leibnitz' >>>>>> "principle of >>>>>> sufficient reason" about what an inference is. The Tractatus >>>>> >>>>> Correct reasoning is not correctly evaluated on the >>>>> basis of who came up with the ideas. These ideas either >>>>> has a sound basis or not. >>>>> >>>>> It just the same thing that I have been saying fir years. >>>>> True on the basis of meaning expressed in language must >>>>> have a direct semantic connection to those things in the >>>>> directly in the formal system of this language that make it >>>>> true. >>>>> >>>>> (a) Cats are animals >>>>> (b) Animals are living things >>>>> (c) ∴ Cats are living things >>>>> >>>>> No jumping outside of the language to a separate model. >>>>> >>>>>> Logicophilosophicus starts alright then Wittgenstein wimps out while >>>>>> being all hot-headed about it later. Russell's favorite philosophers, >>>>>> Plotinus after Philo, are early weak nominalist fictionalists, and >>>>>> having material implication in their vacuous implicits and so on, >>>>>> Chrysippus could throw them from the boat since neither are they >>>>>> Pythagoreans. >>>>>> >>>>>> A much simpler process arrives at a "principle of _thorough_ reason", >>>>>> where not only are affirmatory and negatory inferences found, >>>>>> also in the diligence any their contradictions. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That is what I just showed. >>>>> >>>>>> Russell's retro-thesis simply can't make the extra-ordinary go away. >>>>>> It's considered a quasi-modal variety of the weaker sort of the >>>>>> logicist positivism, which has a stronger variety after a strong >>>>>> mathematical platonism which invigorates it as "must be science". >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Old schlock wrapped as new, .... >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The only way to obtain a correct foundation of these >>>>> things is to reverse-engineer them from first principles. >>>>> >>>>> If one does not do that then the extraneous baggage >>>>> of the differing human perspectives prevent a fully >>>>> coherent view. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> That's just syllogism, and makes for constructivism >>>> since any sort stipulation, like an axiom, is unfounded. >>>> >>>> The "axiomless natural deduction" to arrive at "axiomless >>>> geometry" and "axiomless arithmetic" is a usual notion that >>>> mathematical platonists have, though these days sometimes >>>> they call themselves structural realists to not concern >>>> dear old Bertrand, then though logicist positivists take >>>> that label without fulfilling its definition. >>>> >>>> >>>> Syllogism is subject ordering, and Aristotle reads every >>>> syllogism its statements in every order, for example to >>>> detect cycles and disambiguate them, which otherwise a >>>> linear reader will fail to detect. >>>> >>>> >>>> The "principle of _thorough_ reason" is more than the >>>> "principle of 'sufficient' reason", then that in a >>>> wider account of a wider, fuller dialectic, what's >>>> sound, thorough, fulfilling, and fair. >>>> >>>> >>>> Mentioning something like Prawitz' "inversion principle" >>>> and about both the restriction _and_ the recovery, and >>>> more than Russell's mere "isolation in significance and >>>> significance in isolation", means that restricting (ignoring) >>>> the resolution of any and all paradoxes leaves the door ajar >>>> just like quasi-modal logic and principle of explosion. >>>> >>>> >>>> So, maybe readers and researchers in foundations should start >>>> with outlining the requirements and desiderata of a theory >>>> that's constant, consistent, complete, and concrete, >>> >>> The entire body of knowledge expressed in language >>> (a) Encodes all of the empirical "atomic facts" as axioms >>> this merges the analytic/synthetic distinction into one >>> analytic system. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/analytic-synthetic/ >>> >>> (b) Provide a finite list of the possible semantic relations >>> between/among the elements of (a) and these are specified >>> syntactically using a system similar to CycL. >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CycL >>> >>> (c) This whole thing is stored in a knowledge ontology >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontology_(information_science) >>> Hierarchy of simple type theory. >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_type_theory#G%C3%B6del_1944 >>> >>> Now we have the entire body of general knowledge that >>> can be expressed in language as a set of stipulated >>> semantic relations between finite strings. >>> >>>> and see how axiomless natural deduction fulfills that >>>> with a comprehensive yet paradox-free account, and >>>> that's the usual account since antiquity and even since >>>> before recorded times, then it's called "mathematical platonism", >>>> since issues of the human condition itself are subjective, >>>> and whether Thoth or Hermes Trismagistus has an ankh for reason >>>> or spiral for infinity, in at least one account there's both. >>>> >>>> Thoth -> thought >>>> Logos -> logic >>>> Ma'at -> math >>>> >>>> >>>> Aristotle won't be made a fool, and more than merely >>>> half-Aristotleans have always both prior and posterior accounts. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> That's not "a priori truth". >> >> That's just a "convenient" lie to make some system of inference >> considered itself compelled complete yet make it slavish while >> really it's merely a model of a partial half-account of reason, >> that fragmented synthetic pluralism and inconstancy in definition. >> >> >> Adding an element to another element is synthetic >> (where did it come from?), partitioning an element >> into two is analytic (how was it already there?). >> >> >> The usual account of mathematical platonism is analytic, >> the usual account of logicist positivism is synthetic, >> they are two different things. >> >> >> Usual accounts of incompleteness like the Hilbert-Bernays paradox >> confirm and certify that "logicist positivist nominalist theories" >> are at best "merely and completely science". >> >> Then, the account that it's not a science, is wrong. >> >> Anybody can have a quite thorough body of knowledge - >> if it doesn't change it's considered they stopped learning, >> not that there isn't anything left to learn. >> >> Quit trying to tell people they can't learn, it's insulting. >> >> > > Well, we have to remember that Olcott has claimed to be god. Seems more like a sock-puppet chat-bot with a stolen identity.