Re: DAG of all general knowledge that can be expressed in Language
"Chris M. Thomasson" <[email protected]>
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On 7/1/2026 1:16 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: > On 07/01/2026 12:37 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: >> On 7/1/2026 12:31 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>> On 07/01/2026 10:57 AM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 7/1/2026 12:00 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>>> On 07/01/2026 07:59 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> On 7/1/2026 7:13 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>>>>> On 06/30/2026 08:01 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>> On 6/30/2026 9:47 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 06/30/2026 10:36 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 06/30/2026 07:53 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 6/30/2026 8:23 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> So, if you want to know more about my theory, which is an >>>>>>>>>>>> account >>>>>>>>>>>> of reason, and for Foundations, then I'd suggest first making >>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> yourself a "universal education", then finding resolutions to >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> "paradoxes" of mathematical logic, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> % This sentence is not true. >>>>>>>>>>> ?- LP = not(true(LP)). >>>>>>>>>>> LP = not(true(LP)). >>>>>>>>>>> ?- unify_with_occurs_check(LP, not(true(LP))). >>>>>>>>>>> false. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Olcott's Minimal Type Theory >>>>>>>>>>> G ↔ ¬Prov_PA(⌜G⌝) >>>>>>>>>>> Directed Graph of evaluation sequence >>>>>>>>>>> 00 ↔ 01 02 >>>>>>>>>>> 01 G >>>>>>>>>>> 02 ¬ 03 >>>>>>>>>>> 03 Prov_PA 04 >>>>>>>>>>> 04 Gödel_Number_of 01 // cycle indicates no well-founded >>>>>>>>>>> justification >>>>>>>>>>> tree exists. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ZFC already handled Russell's Paradox converting set >>>>>>>>>>> theory into Naive set theory. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It is important to keep computation in the loop >>>>>>>>>>> because computation exposes the hidden assumptions >>>>>>>>>>> that math makes. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Curry–Howard correspondence >>>>>>>>>>> In programming language theory and proof theory, >>>>>>>>>>> the Curry–Howard correspondence is a direct relationship >>>>>>>>>>> between computer programs and mathematical proofs. >>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ >>>>>>>>>>> Curry%E2%80%93Howard_correspondence >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> then revealing the "super-classical" >>>>>>>>>>>> results of classical mathematics, then for the "extra-ordinary" >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> "great atlas of mathematical independence", then for "higher >>>>>>>>>>>> mathematics", and quite about "continuity" and "infinity", >>>>>>>>>>>> then there's also "the physics" after "the logic" and "the >>>>>>>>>>>> mathematics". >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Curry's poor substitute" at least rejects material implication. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Matters of meaning or the epistemological is a field called >>>>>>>>>> "semiotics". >>>>>>>>>> Semantics after syntax is properly logical, that's all. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cycle-detection is a usual routine involving memory and time, the >>>>>>>>>> resources. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Liar Paradox is just a template of what would be a fallacy: >>>>>>>>>> two wrongs don't make a right. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> unify_with_occurs_check(and(false(LP), true(LP))) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Two wrongs don't make a right. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Russell's retro-thesis is hypocrisy veiled as authority. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Where's the GUID for "dictionary", or "vocabulary", and what's in >>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>> "Cat" is a word. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's fair to say "the Liar Paradox is false", >>>>>>>>> then that the negation translates through the copula "is" >>>>>>>>> to result "this sentence is true", a meaningless, empty tautology >>>>>>>>> (except as quoted a meaningless, empty, tautology). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It doesn't work on other "paradoxes", though. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wittgenstein (1937) >>>>>>>> 'True in Russell's system' means, as was said: >>>>>>>> proved in Russell's system; and 'false in Russell's >>>>>>>> system' means: the opposite has been proved >>>>>>>> in Russell's system >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Proof Theoretic Semantics almost gets there >>>>>>>> through an enormously more convoluted process. >>>>>>>> They almost always utterly avoid any nuance of >>>>>>>> true. Instead they focus on meaning. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Finlayson's paradox: there are none. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That quote of Wittgenstein's just a weak echo of Leibnitz' >>>>>>> "principle of >>>>>>> sufficient reason" about what an inference is. The Tractatus >>>>>> >>>>>> Correct reasoning is not correctly evaluated on the >>>>>> basis of who came up with the ideas. These ideas either >>>>>> has a sound basis or not. >>>>>> >>>>>> It just the same thing that I have been saying fir years. >>>>>> True on the basis of meaning expressed in language must >>>>>> have a direct semantic connection to those things in the >>>>>> directly in the formal system of this language that make it >>>>>> true. >>>>>> >>>>>> (a) Cats are animals >>>>>> (b) Animals are living things >>>>>> (c) ∴ Cats are living things >>>>>> >>>>>> No jumping outside of the language to a separate model. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Logicophilosophicus starts alright then Wittgenstein wimps out while >>>>>>> being all hot-headed about it later. Russell's favorite >>>>>>> philosophers, >>>>>>> Plotinus after Philo, are early weak nominalist fictionalists, and >>>>>>> having material implication in their vacuous implicits and so on, >>>>>>> Chrysippus could throw them from the boat since neither are they >>>>>>> Pythagoreans. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A much simpler process arrives at a "principle of _thorough_ >>>>>>> reason", >>>>>>> where not only are affirmatory and negatory inferences found, >>>>>>> also in the diligence any their contradictions. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> That is what I just showed. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Russell's retro-thesis simply can't make the extra-ordinary go away. >>>>>>> It's considered a quasi-modal variety of the weaker sort of the >>>>>>> logicist positivism, which has a stronger variety after a strong >>>>>>> mathematical platonism which invigorates it as "must be science". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Old schlock wrapped as new, .... >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The only way to obtain a correct foundation of these >>>>>> things is to reverse-engineer them from first principles. >>>>>> >>>>>> If one does not do that then the extraneous baggage >>>>>> of the differing human perspectives prevent a fully >>>>>> coherent view. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That's just syllogism, and makes for constructivism >>>>> since any sort stipulation, like an axiom, is unfounded. >>>>> >>>>> The "axiomless natural deduction" to arrive at "axiomless >>>>> geometry" and "axiomless arithmetic" is a usual notion that >>>>> mathematical platonists have, though these days sometimes >>>>> they call themselves structural realists to not concern >>>>> dear old Bertrand, then though logicist positivists take >>>>> that label without fulfilling its definition. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Syllogism is subject ordering, and Aristotle reads every >>>>> syllogism its statements in every order, for example to >>>>> detect cycles and disambiguate them, which otherwise a >>>>> linear reader will fail to detect. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The "principle of _thorough_ reason" is more than the >>>>> "principle of 'sufficient' reason", then that in a >>>>> wider account of a wider, fuller dialectic, what's >>>>> sound, thorough, fulfilling, and fair. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mentioning something like Prawitz' "inversion principle" >>>>> and about both the restriction _and_ the recovery, and >>>>> more than Russell's mere "isolation in significance and >>>>> significance in isolation", means that restricting (ignoring) >>>>> the resolution of any and all paradoxes leaves the door ajar >>>>> just like quasi-modal logic and principle of explosion. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So, maybe readers and researchers in foundations should start >>>>> with outlining the requirements and desiderata of a theory >>>>> that's constant, consistent, complete, and concrete, >>>> >>>> The entire body of knowledge expressed in language >>>> (a) Encodes all of the empirical "atomic facts" as axioms >>>> this merges the analytic/synthetic distinction into one >>>> analytic system. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/analytic-synthetic/ >>>> >>>> (b) Provide a finite list of the possible semantic relations >>>> between/among the elements of (a) and these are specified >>>> syntactically using a system similar to CycL. >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CycL >>>> >>>> (c) This whole thing is stored in a knowledge ontology >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontology_(information_science) >>>> Hierarchy of simple type theory. >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_type_theory#G%C3%B6del_1944 >>>> >>>> Now we have the entire body of general knowledge that >>>> can be expressed in language as a set of stipulated >>>> semantic relations between finite strings. >>>> >>>>> and see how axiomless natural deduction fulfills that >>>>> with a comprehensive yet paradox-free account, and >>>>> that's the usual account since antiquity and even since >>>>> before recorded times, then it's called "mathematical platonism", >>>>> since issues of the human condition itself are subjective, >>>>> and whether Thoth or Hermes Trismagistus has an ankh for reason >>>>> or spiral for infinity, in at least one account there's both. >>>>> >>>>> Thoth -> thought >>>>> Logos -> logic >>>>> Ma'at -> math >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Aristotle won't be made a fool, and more than merely >>>>> half-Aristotleans have always both prior and posterior accounts. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> That's not "a priori truth". >>> >>> That's just a "convenient" lie to make some system of inference >>> considered itself compelled complete yet make it slavish while >>> really it's merely a model of a partial half-account of reason, >>> that fragmented synthetic pluralism and inconstancy in definition. >>> >>> >>> Adding an element to another element is synthetic >>> (where did it come from?), partitioning an element >>> into two is analytic (how was it already there?). >>> >>> >>> The usual account of mathematical platonism is analytic, >>> the usual account of logicist positivism is synthetic, >>> they are two different things. >>> >>> >>> Usual accounts of incompleteness like the Hilbert-Bernays paradox >>> confirm and certify that "logicist positivist nominalist theories" >>> are at best "merely and completely science". >>> >>> Then, the account that it's not a science, is wrong. >>> >>> Anybody can have a quite thorough body of knowledge - >>> if it doesn't change it's considered they stopped learning, >>> not that there isn't anything left to learn. >>> >>> Quit trying to tell people they can't learn, it's insulting. >>> >>> >> >> Well, we have to remember that Olcott has claimed to be god. > > > Seems more like a sock-puppet chat-bot with a stolen identity. > > Well, he has been posting for a long time! :^)