Re: Apple changed their documentation at my request but it proves they don't care about privacy

Maria Sophia <[email protected]>
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Lawrence D¢Oliveiro wrote:
>> Do you know the difference between these two situations:
>>   a. iPhone owner happens to walk by my house & it uploads my BSSID/GPS?
>>   b. Android owner happens to walk by my house & it uploads my BSSID/GPS?
> 
> If there is any difference, it would not be wise to rely on it.

There is a *huge* difference, Lawrence.

For half of that huge difference, all you need to do is read this paper.
 *Surveilling the Masses with Wi-Fi-Based Positioning Systems*
 <https://arxiv.org/abs/2405.14975>

For the other half of that huge difference, all you need to read is this.
 <https://ichnaea.readthedocs.io/en/stable/api/geosubmit2.html>
    "The BSSID of the Wifi network. Hidden Wifi networks
     must not be collected."

Then, read how much Apple "cares about your privacy" by reading this!
 <https://support.apple.com/en-ie/102515>

For contrast, read this:
 <https://wiki.mozilla.org/CloudServices/Location/FAQ>
 <https://wiki.mozilla.org/WIFI>

HINT: 
Mozilla/MLS would not collect data from Wi-Fi networks with hidden SSIDs.
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1177952>

Daniel Veditz confirmed that Mozilla MLS, like Google WPS, does not even
*collect* the BSSID/GPS pair for hidden-broadcast SSIDs. 

Notice the difference between 'collect', 'save on device" and 'upload' to
servers, because collecting means it can't be uploaded and hence not saved
into a global database for everyone in the world to easily track the router
movements from anywhere in the world to anywhere else in the world, in
almost real time with meter-like accuracy with no restrictions at all.

Most people don't understand a word I'm saying above, so I need to be clear
that "collecting" is different from "uploading" which itself is different
from "saving" which itself is different from "allowing anyone in the entire
world to access the unique BSSID/SSID pair" sans restrictions.

If you think through the fate of the two situations I keep presenting to
you, you'll see where they diverge in such a way as to be shockingly scary.

With the Python scripts we worked on in December of last year, even I can
track any router's movements in the world, with zero restrictions.

Want to test it?
Give me your router AP BSSID in your own home.

I'll tell you where you live.
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