Re: Apple changed their documentation at my request but it proves they don't care about privacy

On 2026-09-07 01:16, Maria Sophia wrote:
> After having read the prior responses in this Jon/Carlos tangent...
> 
> I apologize if I haven't explained the situation to the liking of people
> who haven't clicked on the references, but I am happy that Jon and Carlos
> (and Andy and Lawrence, all of whom I respect) are trying to understand.
> 
> I especially wish to thank Jon Ribbens and Carlos & any others who have
> bothered to read the links provided, because they explain the issue well.
> 
> If people haven't read the references, then they're stuck in the stone age
> of understanding, which, well, which I'm not the one to drag them out of.
> 
> I just don't have the skills to explain that an SSID is not a BSSID
> (as witnessed by those who claimed changing the SSID changes the BSSID).
> 
> These are basic networking concepts.

We didn't ask to have it explained. Knowing this is not about skills, 
though. A mathematician can have very high skills, yet know nothing 
about networks. Even a skilled computer programmer may not know about 
them, and be a world master on IBM big iron assembler programming (and 
being paid handsomely - a tiny fact I happen to know) and not know 
offhand what the BSSID is.


> Regarding locations, I don't have the skills to explain what a set of GPS
> coordinates means, if people claim it's "just a map". I don't even know
> _how_ to _begin_ to explain that your home address is NOT "just a map".
> 
> I don't even know how to explain to people who claim that the router never
> travels as their belief system is so absurd as to warn me that if they
> don't understand that people take their routers with them when they move,
> then that kind of person will never be able to understand, well, anything.

No, we don't travel with our routers.

My router belongs to the ISP and I have to return it when I move, then I 
will get a new one at my destination. You should be intelligent enough 
to accept this. Maybe doesn't happen in your nook of the world, but you 
must understand that you are posting to an international medium.

> 
> I apologize that I don't have the skills set to bring folks out of the
> stone age, when they claim a home address is "just a location on a map".

Don't be insulting. You can say the same things without insulting people 
or being patronizing.

...

> When I brought it up to my next-door neighbor, who runs Apple Maps, he said
> he'd check it out, which, after a few weeks of emails back and forth, we
> found out that Apple has no intention of honoring the intent of a hidden
> broadcast (even as we know Google & Mozilla certainly honor that intent).
> 
> The Apple lawyers made that very clear to me, as I was shut out from
> talking to the engineers once the lawyers were informed of the issue.
> 
> I had given up, but recently, I happened to look at Apple's documentation,
> and I realized Apple proved they had no intent of honoring the long-held
> intention of a hidden broadcast, by simply changing their documentation.
>   <https://support.apple.com/en-ie/102515>

Ok, finally. The crux of the issue.

> 
> Clearly, I know what I'm talking about, so my well informed assessment,
> based on those verifiable facts, is Apple doesn't care about our privacy.


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Cheers, Carlos.
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